RUGBY

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/2012-che...by-gt500-.html

BluegrassMotorsport

The Camaro is racking up the wins.

vigalante

ZL1.....

RUGBY

Averages from above:

GT500: 11.77@124.8
ZL1: 12.30@116.5

Awesome stock performance from both, GT500 is a beast.

vigalante

In the first video they went out as the A drivers group. Well one driver didn't realize he went out under the wrong group and they black flagged the track right as we were going to over take the ZL1. The D class driver pulled into the pits and we were under green again. This is the result.... remember TWO people in the GT 500, one recording the run with his android only driver in the ZL1!

Dave68

This another one of those "On paper, the Mustang wins" but on real world (read - imperfect) roads, the superior suspension used in the Camaro allows it to emerge victorious every time.

vigalante

That might be all the ZLslo guys can hang there hat on now..... until some video of a good street race shows up, but NO ONE here would ever think of doing a street race!....and you certainly couldn't post it!

Dave68

But this is why the Boxster/Cayman and 3-series always come out ahead, even though the competition often has better track and drag strip times. When it comes to mountain carving, it's all about suspension and chassis tuning, not only raw power.

vigalante

How many guys have mountains to carve, compared to city streets and a few straightaways to play with?

Dave68

Exactly! Let's face it, if you want to have fun driving to work, get a slot car that weighs as little as possible and has 50/50 balance. Super high-powered cars are highly utilized so infrequently on a day-to-day basis, it makes sense to have an additional car for typical driving antics on typical roads on typical days.

vigalante

But that has NOTHING to do about the OP's title!

Dave68

Speaking of street driving......the Camaro is the clear choice between the two, so yes, my comments are derivative of the OP's link.

C5 Pewter Coupe

honestly, how many people are going to be canyon carving, where the IRS can be utilized going over that rough road in the middle of an off camber corner..

in street driving, 99.999% of the time, either will be faster than most cars, and it's all a matter of taste.. that being said, I'd LOVE for the Mustang to have a good IRS under it, and pissed at Ford for removing it in the 2006 GT500..

vigalante

You've driven BOTH and that's YOUR opinion, or is that some paid journalists in fan magazines opinion?

gt500SuprSnke

ZL1 just sucks

vigalante

They don't really suck, if the 2013 Shelby wasn't here, they'd be #1 and rightfully so..... decent mods will certainly make them low 10, even high 9 cars and still streetable. BUT wait until someone puts a big Whipple on the Shelby, some CNC heads, better cams, and the assorted stuff done to a Camaro, and we might have a legit high 8 second street car. Besides those GREEN Camaro's BLIND ya when driving toward one in bright daylight! That has to be worth something!

Guibo

Overall winner in Edmunds: ZL1
Overall winner in C&D: ZL1
Overall winner in Automobile: ZL1
Overall winner in Motor Trend: ZL1


You don't have to drive on canyon roads to realize the benefits of IRS. Crossing over crowned intersections, going over bumps in roads, crossing railroad tracks, pulling up into driveways, driving on freeway onramps that aren't smooth, roads that are rutted due to heavy truck traffic, etc. When you drive a car with a solid rear axle, you can definitely feel it.

vigalante

Isn't THAT why you buy a Performance car, to NOT drive like a Cadillac, but to get that ROAD FEEL? And as you can tell by the advertisements in those magazines who OWNS them....for the lame it happens to be GM! Odd how almost all PERFORMANCE tests fell to the Shelby, we have video's of REAL WORLD racing showing the Shelby's superiority over the ZLslo, yet IN THE OPINION of the journalists that get their salaries through GM advertising, the ZLslo won...in THEIR opinions. I imagine you also believe obama's BS too!

BluegrassMotorsport

Actually, the reason the ZL1 has been victorious in so many comparison is because it has a better ROAD FEEL (although, I'm not sure why that needs to be in all-caps). And to the advertising comment; I would believe every word that leaves Barak Obama's mouth before I believe, even for a second, that advertisement funding swayed the opinions of any of the publications. Pick up a magazine sometime, any magazine. Many manufacturers advertise in them, not solely GM.

vigalante

OK, your opinion, is not my opinion...how about this I just found at another site......

To show you the ******** that goes on with magazines and internet blogs.... We ALL know the ZL1 was stopped by HEAT SOAK from even a 2 FAN AFCO HEAT EXCHANGER not being able to handle a FATAL FAULT with the ZL1.......Here's a story I just caught.....



From TOP SPEED..... 2013 Mustang GT500 vs 2013 Camaro ZL1 - Florida Heat Beats the ZL1



We have seen the competition between the 2013 Mustang GT500 and the Camaro ZL1 get exhausted in the last few weeks, so seeing yet another comparison doesn’t really interest us much. Then again, if that competition is happening live on a public track and it is between two competitors that have been jawing at each other via forum flame posts, well, we suddenly become extremely interested.



So the story begins with us taking a short trip from the TopSpeed offices down to the Miami Homestead racetrack for a day full of watching various cars tackle the track. We stumbled upon this situation of a stock 2013 GT500 with under 1,000 miles on its clock and 650 ponies under the hood, and a Camaro ZL1, which was modified by Torq and is touted as a true racecar, ready to go head-to-head to settle their online feud of which is better.



The Camaro ZL1 admittedly had supercharger overheating issues in the past, so Torq installed a high capacity water pump to help aid in the cooling. Apparently, Torq overestimated the capacity of the new pump before heading to Miami and the blazing hot South Florida sun resulted in the engine overheating. Yeah, Torq forgot an important fact, if you install a high-capacity water pump, you need to raise the amount of coolant stored in the cooling system — Oops. Even a 1993 Metro could have easily beaten the almighty ZL1 on this race day, given it could have made its way around the track without dying.(********, it had HEAT EXCHANGER PROBLEMS, NOT a ****ing water pump!)



Ironically, Torq is quoted as saying that pitting the GT500 against this modified ZL1 is “like bringing a knife to a gun fight” and we agree, because the GT500 is better known as a drag-style car and the ZL1 truly is a better road handler. Then again, if the gun misfires, the guy with the knife wins every time. Let’s see if Torq can rectify this issue and get us a good race to see.



Moral of this story: Always make sure your car runs cool before getting into a forum-flame-based race. There’s nothing more embarrassing than breaking down at the starting line.



http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...-ar131756.html