Boss 302 or C6
10-24-2011, 06:24 PM
#121
Drifting
Not to flame you but you must not be a TRUE CORVETTE guy or you would not ever think of going from a corvette to a mustang unless it was for a financial reason. As long as I can afford a CORVETTE that wil be my only SECOND car in the family I will ever own! CORVETTE #1
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.I know, for me, Power Ball win = 458 Italia bye, bye Chevy!
10-24-2011, 08:06 PM
#122
10-24-2011, 08:09 PM
#123
Le Mans Master
I currently own a '07 C6 with the Z51. I do spend a bit of time at the track with it and really enjoy it. I am however interested in the new Boss 302 with the n/a high revin 302. Of course, it will be tracked as well.
I do understand that I will probably be flamed by some for thinking of changing to a different car, but that is ok. I am not brand specific as I own several kinds of brands and I just love cars.
I do understand that I will probably be flamed by some for thinking of changing to a different car, but that is ok. I am not brand specific as I own several kinds of brands and I just love cars.
Clif
10-24-2011, 08:31 PM
#124
After owning 2 of each (C6Z's/Mustangs) I can say that there isnt a "best/better" car, because that is completely subjective. Some people simply dont like the stigmatism that comes with owning a corvette (gold chains, mid life crisis, hairy chest. etc).
In the end, life is far too short to love 1 car. I'm going to keep enjoying as many of them as possible (all over the "hierarchy" scale
).
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10-24-2011, 09:45 PM
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No, you got called a "douche" because you made a douche bag statement.
what defines your "hierarchy?" Price of the car? Performance? Other people's opinions?
After owning 2 of each (C6Z's/Mustangs) I can say that there isnt a "best/better" car, because that is completely subjective. Some people simply dont like the stigmatism that comes with owning a corvette (gold chains, mid life crisis, hairy chest. etc).
In the end, life is far too short to love 1 car. I'm going to keep enjoying as many of them as possible (all over the "hierarchy" scale).
what defines your "hierarchy?" Price of the car? Performance? Other people's opinions?
After owning 2 of each (C6Z's/Mustangs) I can say that there isnt a "best/better" car, because that is completely subjective. Some people simply dont like the stigmatism that comes with owning a corvette (gold chains, mid life crisis, hairy chest. etc).
In the end, life is far too short to love 1 car. I'm going to keep enjoying as many of them as possible (all over the "hierarchy" scale
).
Nothing worse than GM fanboys
10-24-2011, 11:24 PM
#126
Le Mans Master
^dont listen to this guy, what a douche. "hierarchy"
I've owned 2 C6Z's, 2 2011 Shelby GT500's, and now a 2012 Boss 302. The new Boss is a beast, best bang for the buck on the market, hands down. It is a total blast to drive, and has immense capability. You absolutely will not miss your C6, I guarantee it. I dont love the Boss graphics or the wheels but am tickled with how the car performs, and especially the way it sounds.
for those of you that dont know, the Boss has faster lap times at Laguna Seca then the C6Z, with exception to the 100k+ 2012 Z07 with R compound tires. The Boss has faster times then cars like GTR, 911 Turbo, Audi R8, etc. It is a very capable track car, and based on the link info below RAPES a base corvette. I have no plans to track my Boss, except for an occasional trip to the drag strip. I enjoy driving it around town more than my C6Z's and Shelby's.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html
A simple cold air intake, headers, dyno tune + TracKey will completely put it into a whole new lever as well.
The fact is, that the corvette and mustangs are just 2 different kinds of cars. But dont be fooled into thinking the Boss is just another mustang, cause it aint
I've owned 2 C6Z's, 2 2011 Shelby GT500's, and now a 2012 Boss 302. The new Boss is a beast, best bang for the buck on the market, hands down. It is a total blast to drive, and has immense capability. You absolutely will not miss your C6, I guarantee it. I dont love the Boss graphics or the wheels but am tickled with how the car performs, and especially the way it sounds.
for those of you that dont know, the Boss has faster lap times at Laguna Seca then the C6Z, with exception to the 100k+ 2012 Z07 with R compound tires. The Boss has faster times then cars like GTR, 911 Turbo, Audi R8, etc. It is a very capable track car, and based on the link info below RAPES a base corvette. I have no plans to track my Boss, except for an occasional trip to the drag strip. I enjoy driving it around town more than my C6Z's and Shelby's.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html
A simple cold air intake, headers, dyno tune + TracKey will completely put it into a whole new lever as well.
The fact is, that the corvette and mustangs are just 2 different kinds of cars. But dont be fooled into thinking the Boss is just another mustang, cause it aint
In fact the Boss LS has the R compound tires, and is basically a factory set up track car (per Ford).
"R-compound tires, rear seat-delete, aggressive front splitter for track use, and rear spoiler and rear cross-car bracing shave seconds off track times and boost lateral acceleration to 1.03 g"
“The Laguna Seca package puts a race-ready version of the new Mustang Boss 302 directly into enthusiasts’ hands,” said Mark Fields, Ford president of The Americas. “Laguna Seca isn’t intended for Boss buyers who simply want an exhilarating daily driver. Think of it as a factory-built race car, which we hope avid racers and track-day fans are going to love.”
http://blog.ford.com/article_display...ticle_id=33065
Since the standard Z06 now has decent tires (Eagle F1 G2), I'd imagine it would run close to the Z07 versions on such a short track.
The Boss is a bad *** for sure. But, c'mon, it's not a Z06 killer. And a simple cold air intake (MF103) and dyno tune will also take the Z06 to "another level" (33 rwhp).
10-24-2011, 11:24 PM
#127
Drifting
I wouldn't have a New Mustang, no way no how. If someone Gave Me One, i'd sell it and buy another Vette.
My Ford buddy, whose "blood runs ford blue", won't buy one. His words "ugly with to many problems".
Here are "some issues" with the new mustangs Many people are talking (and are upset) about in: www.allfordmustangs.com
1) MT82 man.6 speed- Made In China. Grinding and refusing to go into gear, requires replacement.
2) Clutch and flywheel problems and Pressure plate bolts backing out.
3) Piston #8 exits, destroying engine.
4) Spark plugs blowing out.
5) VVT sprocket coming loose, damaging engine.
6) Changing the oil first time resulting in Tapping and Ticking noises from New Engines. Ford came up with some "snake oil" to help with the noise.
7) Creaking suspension
8) Rust
Ford has TSB's out the wazoo on Mustangs.
Think i'll stay with C6.
My Ford buddy, whose "blood runs ford blue", won't buy one. His words "ugly with to many problems".
Here are "some issues" with the new mustangs Many people are talking (and are upset) about in: www.allfordmustangs.com
1) MT82 man.6 speed- Made In China. Grinding and refusing to go into gear, requires replacement.
2) Clutch and flywheel problems and Pressure plate bolts backing out.
3) Piston #8 exits, destroying engine.
4) Spark plugs blowing out.
5) VVT sprocket coming loose, damaging engine.
6) Changing the oil first time resulting in Tapping and Ticking noises from New Engines. Ford came up with some "snake oil" to help with the noise.
7) Creaking suspension
8) Rust
Ford has TSB's out the wazoo on Mustangs.
Think i'll stay with C6.
10-24-2011, 11:55 PM
#129
Team Owner
No, you got called a "douche" because you made a douche bag statement.
what defines your "hierarchy?" Price of the car? Performance? Other people's opinions?
After owning 2 of each (C6Z's/Mustangs) I can say that there isnt a "best/better" car, because that is completely subjective. Some people simply dont like the stigmatism that comes with owning a corvette (gold chains, mid life crisis, hairy chest. etc).
In the end, life is far too short to love 1 car. I'm going to keep enjoying as many of them as possible (all over the "hierarchy" scale).
what defines your "hierarchy?" Price of the car? Performance? Other people's opinions?
After owning 2 of each (C6Z's/Mustangs) I can say that there isnt a "best/better" car, because that is completely subjective. Some people simply dont like the stigmatism that comes with owning a corvette (gold chains, mid life crisis, hairy chest. etc).
In the end, life is far too short to love 1 car. I'm going to keep enjoying as many of them as possible (all over the "hierarchy" scale
).
10-24-2011, 11:58 PM
#130
Team Owner
If you do own a Corvette and don't like the gold chains, take 'em off, and do up those 4 top buttons on your blouse, you look ridiculous.
10-25-2011, 12:11 AM
#131
Le Mans Master
I currently own a '07 C6 with the Z51. I do spend a bit of time at the track with it and really enjoy it. I am however interested in the new Boss 302 with the n/a high revin 302. Of course, it will be tracked as well.
I do understand that I will probably be flamed by some for thinking of changing to a different car, but that is ok. I am not brand specific as I own several kinds of brands and I just love cars.
I do understand that I will probably be flamed by some for thinking of changing to a different car, but that is ok. I am not brand specific as I own several kinds of brands and I just love cars.
I've had both Mustangs and Vettes (currently a 6MT GS coupe) and previously 2 Saleen Mustangs ('89 Vortech supercharged coupe, '95 S-351 ex World Challenge race car, barely streetable 650+ rwhp), love 'em all. I've driven both the '11 Shelby GT 500 and the '12 Boss 302, and the Shelby is a beast, but the Boss is more well balanced. The GT500 has some serious grunt, but the 302 is a sweet engine, 7,000 rpm and in my opinion the best sounding V8 bar none, and the car just drives and handles great. The sad part is the Ford phenomenon of "market adjustment", the Shelby lists in the mid $50's, but you'll be lucky to buy one for $5,000 over sticker and from what I'm hearing the same applies to the Boss. Will either 'Stang beat my GS on a road course? Probably not, but the Boss, especially the Laguna Seca version would be a great race, and against the GT500 I think the weight advantage and better brakes would carry the Vette. Honestly, I think the Boss is the best Mustang ever built, and anyone that hates "just because it's a Ford" is missing the point of a great car. Drive both and decide for yourself, enjoy!
10-25-2011, 09:23 AM
#132
I just looked at that list and the top 3 Z06's were 2011 models, meaning they didn't have the cup tires, just the regular michelins, which are definitely NOT "R compound tires".
In fact the Boss LS has the R compound tires, and is basically a factory set up track car (per Ford).
"R-compound tires, rear seat-delete, aggressive front splitter for track use, and rear spoiler and rear cross-car bracing shave seconds off track times and boost lateral acceleration to 1.03 g"
“The Laguna Seca package puts a race-ready version of the new Mustang Boss 302 directly into enthusiasts’ hands,” said Mark Fields, Ford president of The Americas. “Laguna Seca isn’t intended for Boss buyers who simply want an exhilarating daily driver. Think of it as a factory-built race car, which we hope avid racers and track-day fans are going to love.”
http://blog.ford.com/article_display...ticle_id=33065
Since the standard Z06 now has decent tires (Eagle F1 G2), I'd imagine it would run close to the Z07 versions on such a short track.
The Boss is a bad *** for sure. But, c'mon, it's not a Z06 killer. And a simple cold air intake (MF103) and dyno tune will also take the Z06 to "another level" (33 rwhp).
In fact the Boss LS has the R compound tires, and is basically a factory set up track car (per Ford).
"R-compound tires, rear seat-delete, aggressive front splitter for track use, and rear spoiler and rear cross-car bracing shave seconds off track times and boost lateral acceleration to 1.03 g"
“The Laguna Seca package puts a race-ready version of the new Mustang Boss 302 directly into enthusiasts’ hands,” said Mark Fields, Ford president of The Americas. “Laguna Seca isn’t intended for Boss buyers who simply want an exhilarating daily driver. Think of it as a factory-built race car, which we hope avid racers and track-day fans are going to love.”
http://blog.ford.com/article_display...ticle_id=33065
Since the standard Z06 now has decent tires (Eagle F1 G2), I'd imagine it would run close to the Z07 versions on such a short track.
The Boss is a bad *** for sure. But, c'mon, it's not a Z06 killer. And a simple cold air intake (MF103) and dyno tune will also take the Z06 to "another level" (33 rwhp).
I absolutely love the Z, as well as the Boss, just want to make sure there are no misconceptions about what the Boss is capable of
10-25-2011, 09:30 AM
#133
Drifting
Get the Boss:
Hard to past on these type of tests.
I doubt that GM goes to these extremes.
Production Engine Durability Testing
Despite its racing heritage - and the rigors of track-day testing - the Boss 302 V8 is still a production Ford engine, built alongside the 5.0-liter GT engine at Essex Engine Plant in Ontario, Canada. That means it has to meet or exceed all the standard durability testing every Ford engine is required to complete.
The high-winding engine presented a challenge: The engine had no trouble staying together at its redline, but the Ford durability dynamometers weren't designed to operate at the speeds the Boss engine was capable of. "Ford had no engine test cells built to run at that kind of sustained speed," said Harrison. "Ford Racing had one, but it wasn't instrumented to do production durability testing. So we had to re-engineer the dyno cell with new balancers and jackshafts so the dyno wouldn't fly apart running at redline hour after hour."
Once an adequate test stand was configured, the Boss engine was run at its full rated output for tens of millions of cycles, eventually outperforming its specifications at every stage of testing. Engineers calculated that the test regimen was equivalent to running the Daytona 250 race flat-out more than 175 times - in a row.
Team members also devised an additional durability test specific to the Boss 302 engine - one that reflects the unique demands of Boss drivers. The engine was subjected to a regimen simulating 1,500 quarter-mile races typical of events at drag strips across the country.
Hard to past on these type of tests.
I doubt that GM goes to these extremes.
Production Engine Durability Testing
Despite its racing heritage - and the rigors of track-day testing - the Boss 302 V8 is still a production Ford engine, built alongside the 5.0-liter GT engine at Essex Engine Plant in Ontario, Canada. That means it has to meet or exceed all the standard durability testing every Ford engine is required to complete.
The high-winding engine presented a challenge: The engine had no trouble staying together at its redline, but the Ford durability dynamometers weren't designed to operate at the speeds the Boss engine was capable of. "Ford had no engine test cells built to run at that kind of sustained speed," said Harrison. "Ford Racing had one, but it wasn't instrumented to do production durability testing. So we had to re-engineer the dyno cell with new balancers and jackshafts so the dyno wouldn't fly apart running at redline hour after hour."
Once an adequate test stand was configured, the Boss engine was run at its full rated output for tens of millions of cycles, eventually outperforming its specifications at every stage of testing. Engineers calculated that the test regimen was equivalent to running the Daytona 250 race flat-out more than 175 times - in a row.
Team members also devised an additional durability test specific to the Boss 302 engine - one that reflects the unique demands of Boss drivers. The engine was subjected to a regimen simulating 1,500 quarter-mile races typical of events at drag strips across the country.
10-25-2011, 09:37 AM
#134
Team Owner
10-25-2011, 09:55 AM
#135
Drifting
Not to flame you but you must not be a TRUE CORVETTE guy or you would not ever think of going from a corvette to a mustang unless it was for a financial reason. As long as I can afford a CORVETTE that wil be my only SECOND car in the family I will ever own! CORVETTE #1.
.I own my '08 vette vert, and wouldn't give it up for the world but we also own a '66 Mustang GT conv and a '68 Mustang coupe, does that make me a non-TRUE CORVETTE guy?
What..... are we back in high school where were told what's cool and what's not?
10-25-2011, 09:57 AM
#136
I'm not sure if you have been able to comprehend the basis of this thread, but the OP was inquiring about a Boss vs his 07 Z51 as a track car. This was never a thread about "mustang vs corvette." I have simply been pointing out that a Boss is a better performer for his interests, and is even comparable to the Z in some aspects. Keep in mind, I'm the only person in this thread that has owned both cars in question. However I understand that you are from the "old school" and refuse to believe that a mustang could ever be on par with a corvette.
10-25-2011, 10:22 AM
#137
I wouldn't have a New Mustang, no way no how. If someone Gave Me One, i'd sell it and buy another Vette.
Here are "some issues" with the new mustangs Many people are talking (and are upset) about in: www.allfordmustangs.com
1) MT82 man.6 speed- Made In China. Grinding and refusing to go into gear, requires replacement.
2) Clutch and flywheel problems and Pressure plate bolts backing out.
3) Piston #8 exits, destroying engine.
4) Spark plugs blowing out.
5) VVT sprocket coming loose, damaging engine.
6) Changing the oil first time resulting in Tapping and Ticking noises from New Engines. Ford came up with some "snake oil" to help with the noise.
7) Creaking suspension
8) Rust
Ford has TSB's out the wazoo on Mustangs.
Think i'll stay with C6.
Here are "some issues" with the new mustangs Many people are talking (and are upset) about in: www.allfordmustangs.com
1) MT82 man.6 speed- Made In China. Grinding and refusing to go into gear, requires replacement.
2) Clutch and flywheel problems and Pressure plate bolts backing out.
3) Piston #8 exits, destroying engine.
4) Spark plugs blowing out.
5) VVT sprocket coming loose, damaging engine.
6) Changing the oil first time resulting in Tapping and Ticking noises from New Engines. Ford came up with some "snake oil" to help with the noise.
7) Creaking suspension
8) Rust
Ford has TSB's out the wazoo on Mustangs.
Think i'll stay with C6.
Almost all of those problems that you listed above are almost non existent. I spend just as much time on the Mustang forums as I do on the corvette forums, and I guarantee you that Corvette's have just as many problems as Mustangs. Wanna know how I know this???
Here are 7 threads that you created about problems with your amazing corvette....
1. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-t...arming-up.html
2. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...-detected.html
3. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...axle-nuts.html (TSB's anyone?
)4. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...ck-rattle.html
5. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...ont-crank.html
6. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...tch-fluid.html
7. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-t...sometimes.html
My Boss has yet to see the dealer for any problems
10-25-2011, 10:41 AM
#139
I've owned 2 2011 Shelby's, you can buy them at invoice if you shop around. The problem with buying a Boss is that you cant find them, less then 3,000 are being made. I paid $1000 over invoice for mine but I have a relationship with my local dealer, they can easily be purchased for msrp if you dont mind buying from outside/Autotrader/ebay dealers.
10-25-2011, 11:44 AM
#140
Team Owner
It's a shame they did that to the Boss - the car is the purest muscle car that truly speaks for itself. I would not blame anyone for wanting the car - it looks to be a damn fine car. But I will say that if you have to pay $50,000 for it, I think a Corvette is a better choice. But damn, I'd sure like to drive one. Great car and we should all be glad that Ford is building these sort of cars. I hear that GM plans to respond with a similar Camaro.