Stewart Allison

It takes time to build pedigree in a car ! Most performance cars have done that through racing and created a boys club through history of winnings and team domination.
Ferrari don't need the fastest car out there nor do Porsche once you own one you feel like you are now part of that Historic club !
You can't get that in a hyundai or Nissan ! If you own a Nissan or Hyundai the only thing the company can do is be a better performer on the road. That's all they can give you !
When you pull up to a Gt3 in your Corvette you know there is something more special about the Porsche than just it's performance. It's owned by upper class people, successful people, people who are perceived to have made it in life.
Like I said it's part of the boys club weather you like it or not it drips in presence hence the price ! Weather you like it or not that's what your buying into.
Middle class people can say those pompous a-holes can have there Porsches I don't won't to look like a tosser ! The last thing an upper class person want's is to look like a middle class person so there is your customer base ! Stewy

CPG1962

This 2011 PanamerraTT is the bomb. It absolutely smokes the Z06 and is so quiet you can hear a pin drop. Yes - it is $$$ but you get what you pay for. It has everything you could want - QUALITY, luxury, top speed, quick, handling. Ah yes....and 7:56:00 at the ring.

I get my 911TT back today after another upgrade - Mustang Dyno puts it at 735AWHP & 708 FT#. The only thing I needed to do to protect the car was upgrade the tranny at $4K. I maybe breaking 0-100 in low 5 sec range. Also had a very substantial 200# shaved from the weight - removed back seats, added CF hood and rear deck. I am now at 4.55#/WHP.

UPDATE:
Detroit auto show: Porsche 918 RSR is AutoWeek's Best In Show winner

It has a 563hp traditional gasoline engine mounted amidships, with a pair of electric motors powering the front wheels that bring the total power up to a whopping 767....there is NO substitute.

PeterK

My porsche dealer offers a loaner or the "taxi" service. I normally chose their taxi service, which means that the dealership person drives me to work and when the service is done he picks me up and drives to the dealer. All my appointments so far were for simple maintenance and dealership is close to my work, so it is no hassle at all.

The only chevy dealer that was someone competent in repairing corvettes did not offer loaners and their shuttle service was just way too busy. So everytime the car had to go there, I needed to arrange for my transport to/from the dealer. That was a bit of a hassle.

Dave68

CP,

It is highly unlikely that this car would "smoke" the Z06 (with Z07 option package) at VIR or the "Ring", based upon the fact that the Z06 smoked the GT3 and Turbo at VIR

Try telling that to the Bugatti Supersprt crowd. That 1184+ HP IS a great substitute!

Ah, all the cars .00001% of us can afford.......

By the way, I think I'd prefer the twin-turbine Jag over the Porsche Panamera:



Those wheels, though are just too huge.

CPG1962

You have apparently never owned a Jag.

Dave68

Hey, it is the only car with twin turbines and a shape that pummels the Panamera bread Porsche! Granted, it's not in production yet........

E in Phila

They'll almost certainly overcharge for this hunk of junk too..

CPG1962

Come on "E" , Its the ultimate Pee. I am hearing more and more from my dealer like a Turbo only or NA only variant in the 650-700 hp range. Another Carrera GT if you will but mfg in low #'s for collectors. I am looking for the car to dump some $ into and this maybe it. I am also looking at an A1 C1-C2 for investment purposes for my kids to own when I pass.

CPG1962

I'll say it again....you have apparently never owned a Jag. Beautiful JUNK.

Dave68

Read em and weep, CP, read em and weep!

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...guar_xf_page_8

Your statement that I have never owned a jag is like telling a Hyundai customer or a Mustang GT customer that he or she must never have owned a car from either manufacturer, just because they believe a new one represents quality/performance.

Old Jags were unreliable, but so were old Fords and old Hyundais. That was then, this is now!

Dave68

Finally, he is realizing that there's always someone who will pay 10 times what a car is worth. The difficult part is not designing a super car with an unlimited budget and sell at an astronomical cost; rather, it is designing a supercar that a middle-class person can afford to buy. THAT is a challenge that Porsche will never conquer.

Stewart Allison

I'd buy a AMG 6.3 Benz 4 door over the new 4 door offerings from any of the other big euro car builders. 2 door different story ! Stewy

Dave68

Unfortunately, of all the German car manufacturers, MB is at the very bottom when it comes to reliability.

Stewart Allison

I was thinking that as I wrote that ! Since they have been building their motors from South Africa they have become quirky ! I have had 5 major things wrong with my benz since new at 25k and it has been rather painful but I really like the car. It's a C200 kompressor 2006. I believe their a lot better now but will keep mine a bit longer to see. I don't want a broken AMG. My friend has a 500 komp AMG 2006 and he has no problem with his and it went to Calder raceway the first week he got it and ran 11.4 over 4 runs with each of us having a go. This car gets thrashed regular and nothing so far. But I have noticed bits of interior trim falling off. Stewy

E in Phila

Why don't YOU go out and do that, because most sane business people aren't really thinking along those lines. You'll have the market cornered!

PeterK

No, I don't think the supercars are made for this purpose. Supercars and supermodels are for looking and being admired by bourgeoisie and being driven and bedded by the superrich.

CPG1962

I would say, the 918RSR, with a selling price of at LEAST 675K is hardly within the budget of a middle class person.

CPG1962

Take a look at a Panamera. I can assure you the fit, finish, and all around quality is far beyond your std MB meaning a c/e-class. Now an AMG is a different story I would hope. I would place the Panamera along/beyond the same quality as the very best euros sport sedans. All you have to do is drive one and it is VERY obvious.

CPG1962

You REALLY rely on magazines Dave. You read it, I drive them. Drive a MB AMG, Panamera, and a Jag - and then make a decision - you will take a guy making 40K per year whose job is to review cars he could never afford as gospel?

Fords was the best thing that happened to Jag. Now they are owned by Indians - they wouldnt use financial influence now would they - no 3rd world country would rely on payoffs or similar influence. Have you ever been to India or outside the US for that matter? It is w/o question the dirtiest country I have ever visited and their decisions, well, are classic 3rd world.

BTW: This is the latest results I could find on the Euro sedan fight via C&D dated Feb 2010- Wheres the Jag?


In This Story•Introduction•Third: 2009 Maserati Quattroporte GT S•Second: 2009 BMW 750i•First: 2010 Porsche Panamera S (Not even the Turbo)


As I have said before Dave - you are a HATER!

CPG1962