Man the ACR was 6 seconds faster than the new F430 Suderia! This was at a 4+ mile roadcourse in Virginia. And the F430 Scuderia is suppose tobe just as quick as the Enzo on the roadcourse
Man the ACR was 6 seconds faster than the new F430 Suderia! This was at a 4+ mile roadcourse in Virginia. And the F430 Scuderia is suppose tobe just as quick as the Enzo on the roadcourse
Look at that list a little closer for the biggest shocker of all.
A Cobalt beats an Evo, and I35, an ISF, a Challenger SRT8, and an Elise SC!!!!
Holy crap! Why isn't GM marketing this car more effectively?! Those cars are no slouches and none of them are fwd!!!
good call. they need to get the ads for Tahoe and Escalade hybrids off the air and market some of the cars they have that are really truly killer.
C&D's lightning laps have skewed towards the faster each of the 3 years they've been out. in 2006 a Z06 ran 3:01, then 2:58 last year, not present this year.
A ford GT ran 3:00 in 2006, not run since. In 06 a Z51 base 'vette ran 3:09, then 3:03 last year, then 3:01 this year (with more hp).
What is awesome is to think that the Katech clubsport matched lap times with the ACR according to a post from Jason. So in comparisons direct and indirect (various 'ring times, C&D lightning lap, various ACR comparisons) that puts the Katech Clubsport ahead of basically every big-name-brand exotic car out there around a track. And faster than the ZR1 most likely.
Also, I'd bet big bucks that the Z06 could sneak ahead of the Scud, GT-R, and non-ACR viper if given sticky tires, like pilot sport cups. I hope GM is listening as I type.
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It's really tough to beat the Mosler MT900 with its super-light weight and Z06 engine - it RULES!
However, it would be really interesting to see what the Caparo would do with a 1000 lb weight and 500 HP. It could very well be the new King.
Still, bang-for-the-buck, the Cobalt SS (at $23,000) can't be touched.
There is nothing that is goint to touch an ACR on a roadcourse
Even though the ACR beat the ZR1 at the Ring. I still cant wait to see a back to back test , same day, on a track like Laguna Seca, or Buttonwillow. To me, I feel like GM is a little scared to put their ZR1 against the ACR.
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The ACR has that big wing, and the 1000+ pounds of downforce it can lend. That gives it an enormous advantage on a road course. Sticky tires and a wing on a Z06 would be at least close to the Viper.
Remember when Katech posted their first press release about the ClubSport? Sticky tires and a little downforce, less weight, a tiny bit mroe power on a Z06. They matched lap times with the ACR without a wing. That makes the Clubsport as much faster than everything else in lightning lap as the ACR, which in turn makes it a Scuderia eater supreme. Pretty cool.
The ACR has that big wing, and the 1000+ pounds of downforce it can lend. That gives it an enormous advantage on a road course. Sticky tires and a wing on a Z06 would be at least close to the Viper.
Remember when Katech posted their first press release about the ClubSport? Sticky tires and a little downforce, less weight, a tiny bit mroe power on a Z06. They matched lap times with the ACR without a wing. That makes the Clubsport as much faster than everything else in lightning lap as the ACR, which in turn makes it a Scuderia eater supreme. Pretty cool.
But the Katech ClubSport isnt a true factory OE showroom car. The ACR is.
It would be like comparing the Hennessey's ACR. With the long tube headers, exhaust, which produces 625rwhp. A factory car. Which it isnt. Just like the Clubsport isnt.
The ZR1 needs to be tested back to back against the ACR. Only these 2 qualify as factory rivals. The ZR1 is out, and has been splattered on every magazine. The cover of Motor Trend etc. There is no excuse for GM to chicken out. ACR has posted its times at
Laguna Seca- 1.35
ButtonWillow - 1.55
and last, the time up above at the Virginia track. Its about time we see some lap times from the ZR1. Lap times at Laguna and Buttonwillow, american tracks.
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But the Katech ClubSport isnt a true factory OE showroom car. The ACR is.
It would be like comparing the Hennessey's ACR. With the long tube headers, exhaust, which produces 625rwhp. A factory car. Which it isnt. Just like the Clubsport isnt.
The ZR1 needs to be tested back to back against the ACR. Only these 2 qualify as factory rivals. The ZR1 is out, and has been splattered on every magazine. The cover of Motor Trend etc. There is no excuse for GM to chicken out. ACR has posted its times at
Laguna Seca- 1.35
ButtonWillow - 1.55
and last, the time up above at the Virginia track. Its about time we see some lap times from the ZR1. Lap times at Laguna and Buttonwillow, american tracks.
Honestly, I dont think GM is being chicken, The ZR1 goes great in roadcourse, but it isnt a road coarse car, it is a GT car. The ACR's sole purpose is to destroy eveything in a road coarse, two very different cars, for different purposes.
True about factory OE showroom, but that takes nothing away from how nifty the ClubSport is.
The ZR1 and ACR compared on a track is extremely interesting. With much stickier tires and that big wing, the ACR better win. In a straight line it has no chance against a ZR1, and its clearly not the comfortable quiet smooth riding GT car that the ZR1 is. The Viper crowd is a little too hyperactive over what amounts to the value of sticky tires and downforce. ACR is awesome, but I doubt a ZR1 on pilot sport cups with w ing couldn't crunch it. Now, ZR1 as delivered is probably the underdog on a road course.
But about GM "chickening out" there is a 0% chance that the progression of ZR1 reviews won't be like the progression for every other car.
First drives = glowing
Stand alone instrumented tests = glowing
Then the cmparisons
Honestly, I dont think GM is being chicken, The ZR1 goes great in roadcourse, but it isnt a road coarse car, it is a GT car. The ACR's sole purpose is to destroy eveything in a road coarse, two very different cars, for different purposes.
They'll have the ZR1 in comparisons soone nough, probably in 6 months or so. After the mags have a chance to review it stand-alone.
Every car goes through that. First a "first drive", then a road test, then its in the comparison mix.
ZR1 wasn't elligible for this Lightning Lap, probably, because probably there were no test cars available at the time of testing.
True about factory OE showroom, but that takes nothing away from how nifty the ClubSport is.
The ZR1 and ACR compared on a track is extremely interesting. With much stickier tires and that big wing, the ACR better win. In a straight line it has no chance against a ZR1, and its clearly not the comfortable quiet smooth riding GT car that the ZR1 is. The Viper crowd is a little too hyperactive over what amounts to the value of sticky tires and downforce. ACR is awesome, but I doubt a ZR1 on pilot sport cups with w ing couldn't crunch it. Now, ZR1 as delivered is probably the underdog on a road course.
But about GM "chickening out" there is a 0% chance that the progression of ZR1 reviews won't be like the progression for every other car.
First drives = glowing
Stand alone instrumented tests = glowing
Then the cmparisons
It funny how people keep referring to the ClubSport, as its another car in the Corvette lineup, its not, its a tuner car that costs more than a ZR1, and much more than an ACR(I don't like the cheesy badges or the name, which obviously taken by blending the ACR name(American Club Racer), with the Grand Sport corvette name, not very original IMO . You might as well compare it with a hennessy Viper. A ZR1 with a wing and sticky tires would still not touch an ACR, The ACR is much more than a wing and tires, people need to get over it already. The ACR is designed for a course, but it still a street car. People who also know nothing about the Viper dont realize that dodge offers a Viper Just for racing ,called the competition coupe, its a factory built race car Viper that you can order out of ANY Dodge dealership, this has been available for years, since a large majority of people on here, learn about Vipers through Google, and not actually driving them, Google Viper competition coupe.
True about factory OE showroom, but that takes nothing away from how nifty the ClubSport is.
The ZR1 and ACR compared on a track is extremely interesting. With much stickier tires and that big wing, the ACR better win. In a straight line it has no chance against a ZR1, and its clearly not the comfortable quiet smooth riding GT car that the ZR1 is. The Viper crowd is a little too hyperactive over what amounts to the value of sticky tires and downforce. ACR is awesome, but I doubt a ZR1 on pilot sport cups with w ing couldn't crunch it.
Your whole post doesn't make sense, especially where you say that the ACR isn't the quiet smooth rideing GT car that the ZR1 is. Umm.. who ever said the ACR was a GT car? ACR= American Club Racer, I don't see anything about GT(Grand Tour) in there. Also Please tell me your personal experience in how these cars ride? have you even sat in a Viper?, Ever?(I already know the answer) As far a straight line performance the ZR1 should be compared to the Viper coupe, ZR1's have already started to hit the track, and are trapping where the Vipers are trapping. Its all about traction, that is the only reason why the Z06 is close to the Viper in the 1/4. I have plenty of seat time in an 07 Z, and 07 base coupe with mag, the difference in ride is noticeable but nothing to where an average person can feel a huge difference, handling and acceleration, is another story, the Z06 stomps the LS3 in those categories, regardless of what people who own LS3's say(I personally can't tell much difference between LS2 and LS3 SOTP) the ZR1's ride will be the same difference. All C6 corvettes have a nice ride, great for older people, great for having a very fast car that also can be driven everyday. I'm in the market for an 06 Z as I write this, but will never sell the Viper. If you ever get the chance to drive a Viper and any C6 corvette back to back, you will know exactly what I am talking about. Vipers ride is much like a C4's ride, actually the 08's(non ACR) ride more like the C5 Z06's, I haven't driven an 08 ACR, but from what I am told it isn't drastically different than the coupe. People read to many magazines
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