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Old 11-29-2007, 02:24 PM   #1
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Default '08 Challenger on sale 12/3/07: base Vette competition?

http://jalopnik.com/cars/muscle-car-...995-327843.php

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Putting aside 1st yr. production issues, dealer premium/gouge.....would any of you on fence about buying a base Vette consider this?

Looks a little off from concept; overhangs, rake, pillar, height, etc....

there will a V-6/auto in hi $20s/lo30s K

Here's a comparison of size:
'08 Challenger
Height: 57"
Width: 79"
Wheelbase: 116"
Weight: 4160 lbs
Length: 198"

'08 Mustang GT
Height: 56"
Width: 74"
Wheelbase: 107"
Weight: 3450 lbs

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Old 11-29-2007, 02:44 PM   #2
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Looks pretty cool and should be pretty fast...BUT 40K for a dodge! Hell no. I think the vipers are cool, fast cars, but like I said... It's a dodge. Now old Mopar's, late 60's and early 70's were cars that were great. But any dodge made after 1973, is just a bucket of bolts!!!!!!
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:49 PM   #3
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Wonder what those things weigh.

BTW I like it better than the new Camaro.
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:53 PM   #4
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how can you announce a 6.1l hemi muscle car and not mention HP and TQ?
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:56 PM   #5
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...any dodge made after 1973, is just a bucket of bolts!!!!!!
Definitely one of the most ridiculous comments posted here in awhile.
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:59 PM   #6
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Putting aside 1st yr. production issues, dealer premium/gouge.....would any of you on fence about buying a base Vette consider this?

Looks a little off from concept; overhangs, rake, pillar, height, etc....
If I had not already bought a vette....sure, I'd consider it. Its an extremely nice looking car, an SRT version AND its got the 6.1L hemi. Whats not to like about it. However, I'd sure as hell not buy the first year model, and by 2009 I'd have to throw the camaro into the buying decision equation. But, I've got my 2006 C6....so I'm happy
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:03 PM   #7
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I had an 06 Daytona Charger for a while. It wasn't an SRT8 but it was still a great car. Kind of wish I still had it. The Challenger is not a Vette competitor, but I think it too, will be a great car. I plan to own one after the craziness calms down. Probably my next "family" car in a year or two.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:09 PM   #8
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Wonder what those things weigh.

Over two tons, I've read in the car rags.

BTW I like it better than the new Camaro.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:14 PM   #9
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Looks pretty cool and should be pretty fast...BUT 40K for a dodge! Hell no. I think the vipers are cool, fast cars, but like I said... It's a dodge. Now old Mopar's, late 60's and early 70's were cars that were great. But any dodge made after 1973, is just a bucket of bolts!!!!!!


I've got a '99 Durango that I bought new, 65k on it now. It's been a GREAT rig - no problems whatsoever! Only gas, oil, tune and recommended service along with one set of tires at 55k! Even has the original brakes with +/- 50% left on the lining and pads! Looks like it's good to at least 100K! That's not "a bucket of bolts"!

Like the old cliche says - all generalizations are false.............

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Old 11-29-2007, 03:15 PM   #10
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:16 PM   #11
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I've heard rumors it will likely tip the scales above 4000 lbs.

Would I consider it if I didn't have my Corvette. Maybe, but I'd still probably go with the Corvette.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:22 PM   #12
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It will be lucky to come in under 4K of weight. Competion to the Vette? - hardly, not even the same market
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:22 PM   #13
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Apples and oranges. One is a true sports car (Vette) the other a muscle car (Challenger).
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:24 PM   #14
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You've got to compare the quality of the interiors as well. Now that the Corvette's interior has taken a step up in appearance, to me the only choice would be the C6. If this thing weighs over 2 tons, and with the weight bias likely being 60/40 or worse, I'll bet handling is going to suffer.
I'll bet the dealers are going to be asking the same type of pricing initially that Ford is still doing for the limited editions (10K to 20K over) and that should make anyone consider a Vette long before the Challenger.
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Is there going to be a base model V8? or only the SRT8?

40K seems like it will kill this cars sales.

I think it need to be more around the territory of GTO prices...like 30-32K
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Is there going to be a base model V8? or only the SRT8?

40K seems like it will kill this cars sales.

I think it need to be more around the territory of GTO prices...like 30-32K
To compete the car will have to have a base model sixer, an 8, and a hipo 8. Otherwise the Mustang will kill it's sales.

Same will go for the Camaro.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:39 PM   #17
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You've got to compare the quality of the interiors as well. Now that the Corvette's interior has taken a step up in appearance, to me the only choice would be the C6. If this thing weighs over 2 tons, and with the weight bias likely being 60/40 or worse, I'll bet handling is going to suffer.
I'll bet the dealers are going to be asking the same type of pricing initially that Ford is still doing for the limited editions (10K to 20K over) and that should make anyone consider a Vette long before the Challenger.
Oh I am sure there will be hugh "Fair Market" markup's-heck, around here dealers still have markup's on the Z06's. And why shouldn't they, if the market can handle it why not? It's not like its profiteering after a disaster.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:43 PM   #18
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That commercial will probably be banned just like they pulled the "A boys dream" commercial for the C6 when it first came out.

Rumor actually has it that this car for the first 6 months will ONLY be available in the SRT8 format and then starting with the regular model year changeout will have the regular V8's and the 6-bangers available for the 09 model year.

It's a great time for the Mopar crowd for sure. And here we sit STILL waiting on GM to get the Camaro out. Good thing I have a Vette and it is awesome.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:47 PM   #19
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What the HELL is that?Is that rear end real?
http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/Dod...lenger/2096995
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:47 PM   #20
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The Camaro is ugly as sin.

The "new" Challenger is a line for line repro of the '71 model. It looked good in '71, but I would have hoped for a bit more imagination from the Mopar designers.
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