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Old 07-04-2008, 02:20 AM   #1
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Default 2008 Cobalt SS turbo, 13.20 @ 104 MPH

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Cobalt SS/TC Product Development Testing, 7-01-08
2008 Cobalt SS turbo, 13.20 @ 104 MPH

Location: Route 66 Raceway, Joliet Illinois
Elevation: 660 feet
Conditions: 77-84 degrees, high humidity, 2500 feet adjusted altitude
Modifications:
• Hahn RaceCraft 3” SS CatBack Exhaust
• Hahn/BSR PPC Tuner
Weight with driver: 3165 lbs.
Boost Level: 21-23 PSI
Fuel: Shell 93 Octane



Video Links

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...1-4_169448.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...2-4_169449.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...3-4_169451.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...4-4_169452.htm




Driving Impressions:

Overall, the Cobalt’s driving dynamics are impressive. On the road, its suspension is super-poised, with .90G cornering capability, and a taut but smooth and supple ride. There’s no harshness for such a competent car. Cornering is the best I’ve experienced in a FWD car, and I am seriously considering autocrossing it as well. Braking is also superb, with front Brembo brakes and well-balanced ABS.

Tuned at the Nurburgring, it’s apparent that GM’s Performance Division put extensive effort into the handling dynamics of the car, also setting a world record with it at The Ring. This immensely capable package is not quite as well-suited to dragstrip use, for the low-profile tires and significant low-end torque of the car make it challenging to launch hard. However, this is not unusual, for no one wheel/tire combination can do it all, and great handling, low-profile tires just can’t create the footprint needed for strong dragstrip launch performance.

The direct-injected (DI) engine is almost eerily smooth! At lower RPM, where port-injected engines can be a bit rough, causing you to downshift, this DI engine is just as content as can be. It begs to be shifted early in regular commuting, which can only help fuel economy. I also find myself not remembering to upshift in cruising mode, as the engine is not buzzy when revved. Overall, this is one smooth operator!


On to the Track!

The car does really fun 2nd gear burnouts, as the videos will show. Fact is, I was overdoing the burnouts, but it was hard not to...the car just boils the tires once they get moving! Next time I will take it easier, but tonight was time to have some fun with the new toy.

I first tried the stock launch control, and quickly moved past it. I don’t doubt that with more track time, one could optimize it more, but I was on a mission, and I needed to get right to the best launches I was capable of. It seemed that the aggressiveness of the launch control system was more targeted for street-style traction, not the much harder bite of the dragstrip.

Launching conventionally, with a few whips of the throttle to spool the turbo, netted me much better results. I got to the 2.3 and 2.2 range of 60-foot times immediately. But tirespin was still evident, and I knew I’d have to really tiptoe through first gear to get the results I craved.

13.60’s came quickly as I continued to refine my launch technique. I also experimented with conventional shifting, then with ‘no-lift’ shifting. While the ‘no-lift’ shift seemed quite foreign to me, after a few passes trying both methods, I realized it was the way to go. Standard shifting, while effective on the street, was less effective at the track, especially once I got comfortable with ‘no-lift’. My experience with drag racing my 11.9 second Solstice has taught me that these ETC (Electronic Throttle) cars are just not the same as manual throttles for fast upshifts. Data shows no matter how quick you are, there is a lag from throttle closing to re-opening. Sure, it’s fractions of a second, but in drag-style upshifts of 0.3 seconds, a tenth is 33% longer, 2 tenths almost twice as long. These longer throttle closed times diminish turbo response as the throttle opens in the next gear. So, no-lift shift was the way to go if I wanted the best possible Elapsed Time (ET).

Fortunately, my PPC Tuner also extended the redline in 1st and 2nd to 7000 RPM. This is effective to keep the driver from hitting the rev limiter with the faster revving additional power enables. The 3rd – 4th upshift came a bit earlier, at 6200. Very little time spent in 4th, but running out 3rd with no upshift is not a possibility with 105+ MPH trap speeds.

The last two passes of the night saw me really figure it out. I skipped right past the 13.50’s with a 13.45, and while there was still a lot of tirespin in 1st, I knew I was closer than ever to the sweet spot. I was right! Next I skipped right past the 13.30’s (and almost the 13.20’s!) with a solid 13.20 @ 104.33 pass. The 2.09 60-foot time was far and away the best of the night, and the rest of the pass was spot-on, with perfect shift points. I tend to save the best for last on these nighttime tuning sessions!


What could stand improvement?

Well, even though these are excellent numbers for a car with just an exhaust and a tune, the current package is not optimized…yet. Weather was poor for high power.

The tire combination can be improved dramatically. As a skilled FWD racer, it took me a number of passes to coax out that 2.09 60 foot. I’ve been as quick as 1.79 on small drag radials with my SRT-4. That alone would take this car into the 12.80’s easily, even in the same weather. The still relatively new engine may also develop a bit more power as the piston rings seat in fully.

Intake air temperature data was collected and analyzed. The temperatures, especially deep into the run, can be improved with a more efficient intercooler. The stock piece, while fairly good-sized, uses the typical tube-and-fin type core common to OEM applications. It heats up more quickly with the additional airflow and boost we’re making now. We’ll apply an intercooler very similar to what we currently build for this LNF turbo engine in Solstice and Sky. These intercooler units are massive, and not only improve peak power and reduce heat intake to the engine, they also improve low-speed turbo response.

And that’s what we will do next. First improve traction, and then upgrade the intercooler. We should have more results later this month!


What else are we working on for SS/TC?

• Performance Intercooler
• Air Intake Upgrade
• Intercooler Tube Upgrade
• Blow-Off Valve Upgrade
• Downpipe / Cat Con Upgrade
• Turbocharger Upgrades (a couple of flavors TBA)

All of these items will be complimentary to one another, as well as to our SS 3” Cat-Back Exhaust and PPC Tuner. Using them as a system will allow one to avoid the problems we’ve seen with mixing up items from different vendors on Solstice GXP and Sky Redline (other cars we’re noted for that feature the turbo LNF engine).


What should I get first for my SS/TC?

Hahn/BSR PPC Tuner and Hahn 3” SS exhaust. Without a doubt, as we’ve proved in other turbo LNF applications, this is the best bang for your buck.


What are the goals of our SS/TC development program?

We intend to meet, and then surpass, the performance of our SRT-4 program, which resulted in 11.8 second, 122 MPH runs with true bolt-ons and street tires. In doing so, the car must retain 100% daily driveability and fuel economy, with no tradeoffs to the new power level save for excessive tire wear!
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Old 07-04-2008, 02:24 AM   #2
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That's pretty damn quick for a FWD econo-box. If GM can keep the price reasonable, they will sell a slew of them...
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Old 07-04-2008, 02:28 AM   #3
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They'll sell a ton, you'll hear a ton about them in the next year or so, a ridiculous number of them will get wrapped around trees by 20 year olds, the insurance premiums will go through the roof, and nobody will care about them anymore. See: Neon SRT4
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yeah but i highly doubt 20+ psi boost is stock.
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Old 07-04-2008, 02:56 AM   #5
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That's awesome for a small and (I assume) inexpensive car.
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Old 07-04-2008, 03:06 AM   #6
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Toad & Crack has an article in this month's newsstand edition rating the "Fun and Frugal" - sporty cars with good fuel economy.

The Cobalt SS was the top of the list.

1) Chevrolet Cobalt SS
2) Honda S200 Club Racer
3) Lotus Elise SC
4) Chevrolet Corvette Z51 (sic)
5) Mini Cooper S
6) BMW 135i
7) Nissan 350Z NISMO
8) Pontiac Solstice GXP
9) Audi TT 3.2 Quattro
10) Mazda MX-5
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Old 07-04-2008, 04:10 AM   #7
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yeah but i highly doubt 20+ psi boost is stock.
I agree, but for a cat-back and tuner on pump gas, that's quite respectable!
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Old 07-04-2008, 09:59 AM   #8
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I test drove an '08 Cobalt SS the other day. It was lots of fun. You can actually keep the gas pedal smashed to the floor while shifting gears. It's called the no lift shift. Kinda weird at first. The computer holds the RPMs to like 6000 or something, just below redline. It's also cool to hear the turbo "whine"...
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Old 07-04-2008, 10:14 AM   #9
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That's the kind of first Forum post we like to see here!
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Old 07-04-2008, 10:17 AM   #10
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It's a kids car, and i wont drive a 4 banger or a fwd.
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Old 07-04-2008, 11:16 AM   #11
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It's a kids car, and i wont drive a 4 banger or a fwd.
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It's a kids car, and i wont drive a 4 banger or a fwd.
You're hard core. No Ariel Atom for you.
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You're hard core. No Ariel Atom for you.
Lets just say i wont be caught dead in any rice burner. It's the Vette or nothing for me.
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Old 07-04-2008, 01:23 PM   #14
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Suddenly, and without warning, this thread smells like C6 General.
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Old 07-04-2008, 01:29 PM   #15
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Lets just say i wont be caught dead in any rice burner. It's the Vette or nothing for me.
A CHEVY Cobalt is a rice burner? Maybe a wheat burner or a corn burner but rice?
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Is that 1320' or the newly adjusted 1000'.
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Is that 1320' or the newly adjusted 1000'.
It would be scary if it was fast enough to go through 1000' like that :
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Lets just say i wont be caught dead in any rice burner. It's the Vette or nothing for me.
Have fun enjoyed the myriad of performance cars out there!

Oh wait.

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yeah but i highly doubt 20+ psi boost is stock.
thread title should CLEARLY state:
Modified 2008 Cobalt SS turbo, 13.20 @ 104 MPH

Let's not be like this newest Mustang generation
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Old 07-04-2008, 02:44 PM   #20
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Probably the only Chevy besides the Corvette that I'd be seen driving.
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