How are GTR's doing at the track ?
12-03-2009, 01:03 PM
#1
Drifting
Thread Starter
How are GTR's doing at the track ?
First of all, when I say "track," I mean road racing track not drag strip.
So who has a report of how the cars are holding up when they get used fairly hard? More specifically, has anyone seen one running in the advanced group? After a little online searching I found some guy that supposedly(no real reason to doubt it) did a 2:05 at T hill over the top.
I'd like to find out how the tires and brakes are holding up at that speed with the car being as heavy as it is. I also found a post from a guy that probably runs similar speeds and he has had transmission overheating issues. Amazingly that is a problem that also afflicts Corvettes.
Just trying to find the real poop on how the car is in real life (at the track).
Dog
So who has a report of how the cars are holding up when they get used fairly hard? More specifically, has anyone seen one running in the advanced group? After a little online searching I found some guy that supposedly(no real reason to doubt it) did a 2:05 at T hill over the top.
I'd like to find out how the tires and brakes are holding up at that speed with the car being as heavy as it is. I also found a post from a guy that probably runs similar speeds and he has had transmission overheating issues. Amazingly that is a problem that also afflicts Corvettes.
Just trying to find the real poop on how the car is in real life (at the track).
Dog
12-03-2009, 01:35 PM
#2
Melting Slicks
I don't know, but since we can do sub 2 minute laps over the top in our C5Z's, then I bet a GTR would be faster than that with sticky tires. From what I've read they are faster than vettes stock for stock on roadcourses. They are probably more of a match for a well prepared C6Z on the track, but heavier. But like the Audi R8's, it sounds like they basically drive themselves with AWD and all the nanny controls. What's the fun in that? 
I'd like to see one in the hands of a good driver on sticky tires to see what it could do.
I'd like to see one in the hands of a good driver on sticky tires to see what it could do.
12-03-2009, 01:50 PM
#3
Burning Brakes
I rode in one at Laguna Seca with a semi experienced driver behind the wheel. They are definitely very fast, and the amount of grip they have on the stock tires is kind of ridiculous, although they do get a little greasy after a few hot laps.
12-04-2009, 12:37 AM
#4
Drifting
Thread Starter
I got on a couple GTR boards to see what the consensus was. It wasn't much help. I pm'd a guy who appeared to know what he was talking about. He got back to me right away with a bunch of great info. It was refreshing to get reasonably unbiased information. Reading many of the forums posts gave me a headache with all the "my car's faster than your car" stuff and the more appropriate "the kind of car I bought is faster than other kinds of cars." Most of it sounds like 12 year olds bragging. Just like on our forum you have to know who to listen to and believe.
To summarize; He said the car is fantastically fast, but if you go fast you will overheat various components. Especially when people pump up the boost. Sounds to me like a Corvette
Nothing that can't be worked with some time and money, but there are similar issues to fix.
No mention of excessive tire wear due to the weight. Also the standard stuff just like a Corvette, the stock tires and pads won't hold up to high speeds. I wouldn't expect any street car's tires or pads to work great at elevated speeds so that makes sense.
I didn't find out much more, but it makes me think it's more like a Corvette and less like a Porsche. I am referring to the parts needed to run continuously near the front of the advanced group without failure. The GTR needs similar upgrades as a Corvette, Porsches appear to need less upgrades but they cost more.
I guess it's the same old story with a newer car thrown in the mix, speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?
I'm happy with the speed I get out of my chintzy old C5 Z06. Of course if someone gave me a GT3, Carrera Turbo, GTR, ZR1, Viper ACR, or even a new Z06 I would keep the bad azz new car and be glad to pay for any upgrades required.
In my book, if it's fast I like it. They're all cool cars.
Dog
To summarize; He said the car is fantastically fast, but if you go fast you will overheat various components. Especially when people pump up the boost. Sounds to me like a Corvette
Nothing that can't be worked with some time and money, but there are similar issues to fix.No mention of excessive tire wear due to the weight. Also the standard stuff just like a Corvette, the stock tires and pads won't hold up to high speeds. I wouldn't expect any street car's tires or pads to work great at elevated speeds so that makes sense.
I didn't find out much more, but it makes me think it's more like a Corvette and less like a Porsche. I am referring to the parts needed to run continuously near the front of the advanced group without failure. The GTR needs similar upgrades as a Corvette, Porsches appear to need less upgrades but they cost more.
I guess it's the same old story with a newer car thrown in the mix, speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?
I'm happy with the speed I get out of my chintzy old C5 Z06. Of course if someone gave me a GT3, Carrera Turbo, GTR, ZR1, Viper ACR, or even a new Z06 I would keep the bad azz new car and be glad to pay for any upgrades required.
In my book, if it's fast I like it. They're all cool cars.
Dog
Last edited by meldog21; 12-04-2009 at 10:15 AM.
12-04-2009, 07:40 AM
#6
Melting Slicks
It'd be cool to see what it could do in the hands of a real driver, like yourself. And to see what your feedback about how fun to track it actually is, with all the electronics doing the "heavy lifting."
-TJ
-TJ
12-04-2009, 09:26 PM
#7
out of 4 GTRs I have seen in person on the roadcourse, 2 lost their transmissions. nissan warrantied both, but warranty does not last forever and, as it stands right now, it's a 20k repair, there is no proven pre-emptive fix, and warranties don't last forever. not cool.
they are very fast in the capable hands. if I could buy one with a manual trans or if the trans reliability was addressed, i'd buy one in a heartbeat.
they are very fast in the capable hands. if I could buy one with a manual trans or if the trans reliability was addressed, i'd buy one in a heartbeat.
12-04-2009, 10:34 PM
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There's a GTR guy out in the Southeast that I've run with twice at Road Atlanta. Expensive cars that drive themselves. Paddle shifters, twin turbo. Things upshift and downshift by themselves. Dual Clutch systems like the fancy Ferrari's. Steven, the owner is a military guy but really friendly. Confident, but deservedly so. I run down a lot of C6's in my C5, but I simply could not run him down. The only time I could hang with him was when he was having trouble with heat soak and complained he lost half his boost. Too bad, so sad. I told him he should get a better track car like my old C5 
. They are pretty heavy or they would be totally untouchable.
. They are pretty heavy or they would be totally untouchable.
12-04-2009, 11:35 PM
#9
Melting Slicks
There's a GTR guy out in the Southeast that I've run with twice at Road Atlanta. Expensive cars that drive themselves. Paddle shifters, twin turbo. Things upshift and downshift by themselves. Dual Clutch systems like the fancy Ferrari's. Steven, the owner is a military guy but really friendly. Confident, but deservedly so. I run down a lot of C6's in my C5, but I simply could not run him down. The only time I could hang with him was when he was having trouble with heat soak and complained he lost half his boost. Too bad, so sad. I told him he should get a better track car like my old C5 . They are pretty heavy or they would be totally untouchable.
. They are pretty heavy or they would be totally untouchable..
12-06-2009, 10:55 AM
#10
Drifting
T11 at THill I've seen what they can do. Way slow, way deep, just like our cars, but diggin' on all fours they are back up to speed thru the esses quicker . . . quicker than me anyway. Other than that, I haven't been overly impressed. Perhaps I've not seen a fast one yet. Guess I need to ride in one. They're definitely not "lookers".
FM
FM
12-06-2009, 01:28 PM
#11
Drifting
Thread Starter
So my impression without first hand knowledge is that a GTR is equal to or better than my C5 Z06. Of course just like a C6 Z06, I would expect an $80,000 car to be better than a $25,000 car.
My main interest is in the durability and required upgrades, especially since the GTR weighs approximately 600lbs more than a Corvette. My intuition tells me that all the components will be more heavily stressed and will require upgrades or higher than average replacement. So far that appears to be the case in general, but not a lot of info yet.
Dog
My main interest is in the durability and required upgrades, especially since the GTR weighs approximately 600lbs more than a Corvette. My intuition tells me that all the components will be more heavily stressed and will require upgrades or higher than average replacement. So far that appears to be the case in general, but not a lot of info yet.
Dog
12-06-2009, 03:32 PM
#12
Melting Slicks
So my impression without first hand knowledge is that a GTR is equal to or better than my C5 Z06. Of course just like a C6 Z06, I would expect an $80,000 car to be better than a $25,000 car.
My main interest is in the durability and required upgrades, especially since the GTR weighs approximately 600lbs more than a Corvette. My intuition tells me that all the components will be more heavily stressed and will require upgrades or higher than average replacement. So far that appears to be the case in general, but not a lot of info yet.
Dog
My main interest is in the durability and required upgrades, especially since the GTR weighs approximately 600lbs more than a Corvette. My intuition tells me that all the components will be more heavily stressed and will require upgrades or higher than average replacement. So far that appears to be the case in general, but not a lot of info yet.
Dog
-TJ
12-06-2009, 09:32 PM
#14
Drifting
Thread Starter
Are you looking for something to DD and track? Otherwise I'm curious why you'd even look to the GTR. Just like you said, why track a $80k car when a $25k can be just as good and is "expendable." I'm not saying writing-off a $25k wouldn't hurt, but it'd hurt a lot less than a $80k car. That's just me though.
-TJ
-TJ
I was figuring that because of the extra weight the GTR would need even more stuff and burn the tires quicker. We're just not getting enough information to draw an accurate conclusion.
Dog
12-10-2009, 07:12 PM
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Race Director
12-11-2009, 12:29 AM
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12-11-2009, 05:19 PM
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CF "Young" Senior Member
The front end on those things always makes me think of those classic zombie / horror flicks where there's a undead dude with no skin around his mouth, but it's stretched down around it.
Like one of these guys..
