REDGAR

I say it is. I have changed the original text as I misquoted the individual but the question is still valid.


Here is how you should look at it.
A .500 light is perfect.
A .510 is pretty close to unbeatable.
A .010 difference.

A .490 is Red and a win for an opponent.
A .010 can we are call this a "gimmie win"

That cannot be. It is the same effort that happens to be on the wrong side of the bulb!

I lost a race to a guy that runs .50x lights all weekend because he got a .499. I did not feel like it was a gimmie win.





[Modified by REDGAR, 7:46 AM 11/13/2001]

Tony.96LT4

Yes, but on the other side of it, I don't mind losing to a better driver or by breaking out but I sure hate it when I red light cause that's all me and has nothing to do with the other driver or my car. :mad


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Mr Mojo

I agree with Tony.

69shark

Wouldn't this also be casused by over anticipating the driver in the other lane :confused:
I also agree with Edgar :yesnod:

mackeyred96

A win by a red light is the same as anyother win. Whoever thinks a red light win is a gimmie hasn't raced long enough to understand and is a fool.
Red light are in most cases caused by respect for the other racer knowing that you must do your best and there is a very fine line between .500 and .499.
It's all part of racing and if you look at the more experanced racers who win often ie; panuzzo they can get 2 or more red light wins in a single eliminator. Why???? because everyone knows to beat a racer of this caliper you've got to be dead on.
THERE ARE NO GIMMIES.


[Modified by mackeyred96, 8:08 AM 11/12/2001]

ralph

Of course a red light win is an honest win.

John, should we start a debate over "First or Worst"??? LOL!!!!


[Modified by ralph, 7:52 AM 11/12/2001]

REDGAR

If you read Mackey's post you will see it does have a lot to do with the other driver. In theory, each driver should run the number they dial. The only difference should be the light.

Think about it, when you look over and see the driver next to you looks like he's done this before (purchased helmet, drag radials, permenant number affixed to the glass, lot's of eliminator win stickers on the car and maybe a trophy on the dash board (I may have to try that this weekend) or a rollbar) do you approach the light differently than if you see a rented helmet and you just explained the whole racing thing to that person in the staging lanes cause this is his first time at a drag strip?

FireGuy

I don't claim to know much about drag racing. With that said, how can someone jumping the red be an honest win? Isn't that breaking the rules and therefore being "dishonest". :confused: I know everyone out there wants to win but a gimme is a gimme.

FireGuy

By the way........I'm putting my gear on and ready for the flames. :D

Mike Siska

Ahhhhh Yessss! :D First time at the drags! Etown-7/28/01, won a first heat trophy! other guy didn't red light though :nono: :nonod: Won by being closer to my dial-in :cheers:

REDGAR

Fireguy, don't be like that.

We are talking about .010 of a second. That is 10 THOUSANDTHS. No human can chose to be .010 quicker at anything let alone see a light change, communicate to your foot to push the peddle and then push the peddle.

Thinking about it takes longer than .010.

Noone can choose to go Red by .010

It is a timing thing.

Far from dishonest.


[Modified by REDGAR, 7:47 AM 11/13/2001]

REDGAR

By the way, when I red this, there is no for . You're earlier post indicates you agree with him so log your vote.


[Modified by REDGAR, 7:48 AM 11/13/2001]

FireGuy

Ok...maybe not dishonest.......but you still jumped the red.
Why not change the rules to make it a win then? :nonod:

REDGAR

It not a question of whether it is a win or not. It is a question of whether one should be proud or winning by red light because he believes it is not "EARNED"

It IS "Earned"


[Modified by REDGAR, 7:49 AM 11/13/2001]

mackeyred96

Edgar, who is Poopie Boy?????

I'll bet I've got more round and eliminator win than enyone here on the forum and I'm proud of all them, RED LIGHT or NOT.

tfinzel

Fireguy,

I think you misunderstood the question. If my opponet red lights (ie jumps the gun) he automatically loses and I get the win. You Red Light = You lose
:)

SurfnSun

Bracket racing is like any other sport.....when you mess up you lose.

Sometimes someone is better than you. Either way you got beat. Just think if every pass thrown in a football game was caught???? what would happen, people mess up or are out played and they lose.

Blue 92

In football it would be similar to saying that a pass was complete because the receiver was just a "little" out of bounds. :eek:

If your opponent red lights then it's an honest win. He (or she) screwed up. No discussion needed. :yesnod:

FireGuy

Yes....I must have misunderstood......it is earned and I retract my poopie boy vote. :lol:

Eric Fischer

As the rules are currently defined yes, of course it's an honest win. Does it suck if you hit a 0.495 light vs. a 0.505? You better believe it!

Some guy thought it sucked so much that he proposed a new method for bracket racing. His concept focused on your total "package" as the method for determining who wins. Red lights and breakouts are eliminated in his method. Whoever has the better (lower) package wins. For example if I dial a 12.00 but run 11.97 on a 0.495 light then my package would be 0.03 + 0.05 = 0.08. Conversely I would have the same package if I ran a 12.03 on a 5.50 light.

This guy was trying to get some support for this system a couple of years. It has some advantages in that you don't automatically lose if you are a couple of thousandths too quick in your RT or ET. It also eliminates sandbagging. The major disadvantage is that you are no longer racing an opponent, you are racing against the clock.

The existing method for racing is that whoever crosses the finish line first is the winner (barring breakouts). With this proposed method it doesn't matter what the guy is doing in the other lane. That's kind of a crappy way to race IMHO. But an interesting proposal nonetheless.