I need someone to help me identify the correct #,s that can be seen on the drivers side head(remove oil filler cap to see #s inside actually stamped on the head) of a 1974 L-82 engine.I would like to see if anyone has an NCRS judging manual to see what they say should be there.I have a disagreement with some ncrs judges and I need to come to a conclusion.Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
The judge could not find these #s when looking through oil filler cap,and now neither could I. The only # there is 21. They are saying it is a replacement head.I disagree because I have this car since 1978 and I am friends with the original owner and I worked in the dealership where the car was purchased.Could they have put the wrong heads on at the factory? If anyone has additional input on this ,I would appreciate it. And thanks for your reply!!!
UPDATE: I couldnt stand the suspense anymore,thinking my heads were not correct,so this afternoon,after work I removed both of my valve covers,and both of them have the correct "333882" castings.NCRS and its ingenius judges must update their information in the judging manuals.They were looking for the #s by removing the oil filler cap.The #s are all the way towards the left side of the head,not even close to where they were looking.They are actually under the breather cap opening,but with the breather out,you still cannot see the heads.You must take off the valve covers!! So much for NCRS "experts"!
The judging manual is quite clear that cylinder head numbers are not judged since they cannot be seen with the valve covers on. Part numbers given are for reference only. Only the external appearance of the heads is to be judged.
Not to be a smart arse, but up to this moment you weren't aware of this 'rule' anymore than the judges were. Judges come in all shapes sizes and experience levels. Possibly this was the first time these two judges had done mechanical. I made many judging mistakes in my past and will make more in the future. Unfortunately your best opportunity to object was during the review after the judging. You might want to give the judging chairman a call to have him pass the word onwards.
It's probable that the deduct changed your score very little and did not affect the Flight Level you achieved.
Was yours the white coupe with black gut? Nice ride.
I called one of the judges yesterday,he did not do the engine judging,and I explained I was calling just to educate them on this matter,not to ridicule them because they were actually doing me a favor looking the car over( I was not registered to be judged ). He told me I was probably correct,it was only a local chapter,and they are not really all that familiar with the cars.I told him to call the other judges ,just to educate them,and he said it reallydoesnt matter,they probably wont really care.I feel they should care ,especially when they were starting to condemn my car, saying it probably isnt a real L-82,and the engine has issues. Im really turned off to NCRS because of this . Any way, I'm happy I pulled off the valve covers(and took pictures ) for my own peace of mind. I do also agree with you ,nobody is perfect,including me!
No harm, no foul. If your car was not being judged, you lost no points.
Lesson learned. When the time comes to have your car flight judged, you'll be able to rationally discuss matters with the judges at that time and within the proper venue.
I feel they should care ,especially when they were starting to condemn my car, saying it probably isnt a real L-82,and the engine has issues. Im really turned off to NCRS because of this .
That's unfortunate that you have had such an unpleasant experience, give it another shot, I'm sure you just ran into a bad apple.
Having said that, I'm concerned with the level of knowledge on both sides. A '73 has the engine type encoded into the VIN tag, so the discussion should start and stop right there. Identifying the original engine is done by examining the stamp pad on the block and not by circumstantial evidence of bolt on components like heads.
Are you sure that this guy was a judge? Paying for a membership in NCRS doesn't suddenly make a person 'knowledgeable' or 'competent'.
The level of competancy really surprised me ,along with a touch of arrogance by one judge.I received a judging manual today and found one more thing they misjudged.They said I had a replacement sideview mirror,said there were no codes on it. I just checked it against the manual and the mirror is original and correct! It has all the correct codes. I know so much about this car because I was actually there when it came off the truck at the dealer. My Dad sold it to the original owner who was a friend and absolute lunatic about the car.In 1978 he sold it to me with 6,500 miles and it now has 8,400. I am still in touch with the original owner,so I really do know the true history of this car.It really kind of makes me laugh when I see mid year vettes at these events that have been so totally redone and in some cases phonied up with fake engine stamping and the like,and here was a totally original surviver under their noses and they couldnt see it.(more 427/435 1967 vettes exist today than were ever built).Like I said in an earlier post, I know what I have and am even more happy with it now. I was looking to sell it ,But I think I fell in love with it all over again! Thanks to all who showed interest in my first experience with NCRS. Hopefully my next will be better. Heck, I was even considering becoming a judge myself after all of this!!!!
Thanks to all who showed interest in my first experience with NCRS. Hopefully my next will be better. Heck, I was even considering becoming a judge myself after all of this!!!!
You pretty much met the overall majority personalities of "Vette people", I say ignore all the NCRS BS and just drive the car and drop tons of money into it for repairs (when they happen-----and they WILL happen!!!).
I had one of mine in a show years ago and it was an all numbers 69, I was there to enjoy the weekend at the mall, and when the local "Vette Jockey" strolled up to judge my car, I told him I was not interested in it being judged. You never saw a look of surprise in your life!!!! True it was a local Vette Club, but 99% of them were just unbearable.....................Just my view of things...................
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