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Old 06-28-2004, 06:30 PM   #1
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Default What happend? Bad launch, great ET...

O.K. this is what went down last week at the track. Arrived at the track at 5:00 did the usual stuff aired up the fronts, aired down the rears and let the engine cool for about a half an hour. Went to the staging lanes and lined up opposite of an 01 Cobra. I was like , I am going to walk on him on the big end. We get waved up to stage, I do a burn out and creep up and stage the first yellow light. The Cobra does the same so I stage fully (Both yellow lights on) tach up to about 3.8K and look at the tree and wait. Waiting... waitng... waiting... starting to get :mad all the sudden the tree goes down with only me staged, which catches me by surprise and I spin thru first gear. The results are the following, a 2.1 60', 13.13 et @ 103.7 mph. Question is what the heck happend? I have a stack of time slips with 13.2 and 13.3 et's at much higher speeds, like 106 to 108 mph. I even tapped the rev limiter on the 2-3 shift. I can not figure this one out.
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Old 06-28-2004, 08:41 PM   #2
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Default Re: What happend? Bad launch, great ET... (ROJO99)

Gotta be an answer in there somewhere, but I can't offer any help.....

Check your split (intermediate) times; maybe you can 'see where' it ran good, and why the MPH is so far off...
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Old 06-29-2004, 09:17 AM   #3
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here is the complete slip.

RT*****2.997
60'*****2.130
330'****5.626
ET@594'**7.984
ET@1/8**8.532
MPH@1/8**82.22
ET@1/4***13.139
MPH@1/4**103.74




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Old 06-29-2004, 03:41 PM   #4
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Default Re: What happend? Bad launch, great ET... (ROJO99)

ROJO99:
Not much that I can tell from a single ET-slip;
try comparing it to your earlier slips...
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Old 06-29-2004, 04:53 PM   #5
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Here is a comparison of my one of my average runs.

60'*******2.081
330'******5.768
et@594'***8.147
et@1/8****8.677
mph@1/8**85.04
et@1/4****13.259
mph@1/4**107.41

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Old 06-29-2004, 05:13 PM   #6
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seams strange that it could PULL that much harder after loosing that much
i have had my speed go up but not any other improvements
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ROJO99:
In your initial post, you said you routinely run 13.2/13.3 at higher MPH, and now you're showing a low 12-second ET-slip?

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et@1/4****12.259
mph@1/4**107.41
I'm guessing that's a typo?



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Typo corrected...
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Old 06-29-2004, 06:21 PM   #9
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Default Re: What happend? Bad launch, great ET... (ROJO99)

If you want to understand that run, you need to compare it to several runs that day and several on that other day you cited.

But you can't just compare the slips and their incremental times.

Instead load the slips into a spread sheet, such as M.S. Excel. Then I'd suggest calculating all of the incremental times too, eg.:

60-330
60-660
60-100
60-1320
330-660
330-1000
330-1320
660-1000
660-1320
1000-1320
(Density altitude if you know it)

I've learned the most about my driving by sorting my spreadsheet (with calculated incrementals) and looking for consistencies and inconsistencies. This helps identify where I am wasting time. In your case, doing this will help you learn whether that one run was legit or a timing error.

That should be apparent, if you focus on the 1000-1320 incremental time across several runs.

Just a thought.

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Quote:
Typo corrected...


OK, I've taken the liberty of breaking both ET-slips down by segment below;
your 'AVERAGE' run in Italics, and your 'SLIPPING/FAST' run in Bold.

000'-060': 2.081 2.130
060'-330': 3.687 3.496
330'-660': 2.909 2.906
660'-1/4: 4.582 4.607

If you notice, from the 330'to the 1320' mark, the runs are very similar ( 7.491 vs. 7.513 ), but the times from 000' to 330' don't jive at all...
Speaking in terms of your 'slipping/fast' run vs. your 'average' run, you were almost .05 'behind' at the 60' mark ( 2.130 vs. 2.081 = .049-seconds ).....
yet by the 330' mark, you were .142-seconds AHEAD ( 5.626 vs. 5.768 )!!!!!

Now, go back and compare your 60'-330' times: on your 'slipping/fast' run, you went .191-seconds quicker, yet at the 1/8-mile trap, you were traveling almost 3 MPH slower.

If your ET-slip from the 13.259 run was from the same day, under similar atmospheric conditions, I'm 'guessing' that you got a bogus ET-slip on the 13.139 run.

Anybody else have an idea???



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Old 06-29-2004, 07:44 PM   #11
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i am lost and been told that before.... iv'e lost ET but
picked up MPH and vise versa but the only thing to try is blow the tire's off in the first 100 ft. after 3 normal runs
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i am lost and been told that before....
Maybe we've raced together...
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Old 10-24-2004, 09:11 PM   #13
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Were you shifting as you go through the traps at the end of the 1/4. Maybe you let up a little right before the finish and there for got a lower MPH but faster time for the whole run. Your 13.13 @ 103 MPH looks good to me. I have 4.10's , so I can't compare to your 3.42's, but I will run a 12.40 @ 111 MPH.

Are you still in 4th gear at the finish and how much tach do you have to go?
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Old 10-24-2004, 09:15 PM   #14
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It simple, just burn that time slip and make another run
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