11/25/2008 - Beginning 2009, the Pro 10.0 will have two indexes. Corvettes will compete as either a 10.00 or 10.50 index car. Racers will compete together in one Pro 10 class. It will be a mixed index class meaning pairings can be 10.00 v. 10.00 or 10.50 v. 10.50 or 10.00 v. 10.50. A handicapped Pro .500 tree will be used when cars are in different indexes. Expanding the index opens the class to additional racers and full fields of 16 Corvettes. The change should also eliminate the empty bye runs we experienced at several races in 2008 providing more competitive racing. More details will be forthcoming.
We considered all viable options for the series and decided this one would be the best way of keeping more drivers involved and opening the door to new racers.
I'll never be in a position to race in that class.. & I cant speak for others.. however (I know you have raced on a Pro Tree) ... The "FASTER" car is at a "Disadvantage" (IMO) because from my experience when I raced in the "Pro Dial Dash" If I was dialed at 12.50 and my opponent was dialed at 12.70 (example) he would get the green .200 before ME..
Now you have to realize on a Pro Tree you have to be DEAD ON FOCUSED) on the tree... and I found even if I was STARING at the tree.. and the other car left before me, I'd have a bad light, I'd see the movement out of the side of my eye...& either go RED or Dead Late!
In that case I would dial slower 12.70 so we leave at the exact same time... However if I was dialed at 12.50 and the other lane was dialed at 13.50.. I'd be OK knowing there was a full sec. before I had to leave..
Next yr. in the 11.50 class "IF" emphasize "IF" I'm able to run 11.50 and 12.0 cars are allowed to run vs me I'll put 12.0 on my window only because a car leaving .500 sooner than me would cause me to lose focus on the tree...
However if you had 11.0 run vs 11.50 I'd dial 11.50 so i would have a "CLEAN" tree with NO distractions...
I agree its a good idea to have 10.0 and 10.5 but I'm betting (& you are good with #s) the drivers who dial 10.5 will "AVERAGE" a better reaction time... only because they are leaving first on a clean tree with NO distractions...
This only my opinion, and I could be totally out in left field... but I'd like to see some other opinions from racers who have raced a lot.. on a Pro Tree!!
Does a car leaving .500 before you see the flash of yellow distract you ??
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Does a car leaving .500 before you see the flash of yellow distract you ??
JP, isn't the .500 handicap the same as a single bulb on the regular tree? What is the difference except for the "flash" rather then the sequencial lights.
Also the .5 difference is to keep the cars who don't want a 9 second cage installed to compete, hence more cars to compete.
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To be perfectly HONEST.. I cant speak for anyone but myself but on a protree I leave on motion.. And racing mixed index it does Phuck me up being the faster car........
BUT I am willing to do what ever it takes to grow the class and series..
I'll never be in a position to race in that class.. & I cant speak for others.. however (I know you have raced on a Pro Tree) ... The "FASTER" car is at a "Disadvantage" (IMO) because from my experience when I raced in the "Pro Dial Dash" If I was dialed at 12.50 and my opponent was dialed at 12.70 (example) he would get the green .200 before ME..
Now you have to realize on a Pro Tree you have to be DEAD ON FOCUSED) on the tree... and I found even if I was STARING at the tree.. and the other car left before me, I'd have a bad light, I'd see the movement out of the side of my eye...& either go RED or Dead Late!
In that case I would dial slower 12.70 so we leave at the exact same time... However if I was dialed at 12.50 and the other lane was dialed at 13.50.. I'd be OK knowing there was a full sec. before I had to leave..
Next yr. in the 11.50 class "IF" emphasize "IF" I'm able to run 11.50 and 12.0 cars are allowed to run vs me I'll put 12.0 on my window only because a car leaving .500 sooner than me would cause me to lose focus on the tree...
However if you had 11.0 run vs 11.50 I'd dial 11.50 so i would have a "CLEAN" tree with NO distractions...
I agree its a good idea to have 10.0 and 10.5 but I'm betting (& you are good with #s) the drivers who dial 10.5 will "AVERAGE" a better reaction time... only because they are leaving first on a clean tree with NO distractions...
This only my opinion, and I could be totally out in left field... but I'd like to see some other opinions from racers who have raced a lot.. on a Pro Tree!!
Does a car leaving .500 before you see the flash of yellow distract you ??
Thank you Jpee
finally a little common sense here
i agree 100%
i all for the growing of the class but this is unfair to the 10.0 guys
i still say split the classes
a mixed class will benifit the 10.50 cars
maybe 2 8 car fields for 2009 and see what diection it goes for for 2010
I wouldn't mind seeing this in the 11.5 index as well. Only because those that have cars that run 11.50 in the cool weather run 12.00 in the hot weather.
JPEE, always the strategist
But if your argument is right all the 10.0 guys should run 10.50 and we have no problem.
INSANITY...I appreciate your comment but if you left on motion then you would leave if I turned my head to look at you. Or if I bumped in second you would leave on my bump to stage. You certainly are not leaving on my motion when we race pro tree because if that was the case, I would always leave first and you have seen my lights. I think you will be fine.
if its 1 class you are trying to build on then make it a 10.50 class
face it most of the cars fall off in the summer any way
off the 10.0 mark that is
then this would be fair to all racers on the tree
and everyones legal at 10.50
Thank you Jpee
finally a little common sense here
i agree 100%
i all for the growing of the class but this is unfair to the 10.0 guys
i still say split the classes
a mixed class will benifit the 10.50 cars
maybe 2 8 car fields for 2009 and see what diection it goes for for 2010
Wow. Siding with Jpee actually hurts your credibility Wayne
Really what it came down to is there are too many unanswerable questions if one of the sides does not have a full 8 cars. Questions like if one side continually gets 4 cars and the other 5 then the side with 4 has less rounds and is hurt in points. Or the opposite where the smaller side goes less rounds to win the same money.
Wayne in essence we have what you are asking for. If we go the whole season and Chris is the only one entering 10.0 because you adopted jpee's strategy of going to 10.50 then the racers have decided what they want.
If the same 9 cars run next year and the class does not grow then we adjust.
if its 1 class you are trying to build on then make it a 10.50 class
face it most of the cars fall off in the summer any way
off the 10.0 mark that is
then this would be fair to all racers on the tree
and everyones legal at 10.50
I did the poll and everyone running 10.0 wants to keep running 10.0. You only came around late. In my infinite attempt to please everyone, everyone can keep running 10.0 as they wanted.
I would like to go on record now, that I will be joining this class in 2009 and would like to be given the opportunity to sponsor it. Thank you and I look forward to racing next year
I wouldn't mind seeing this in the 11.5 index as well. Only because those that have cars that run 11.50 in the cool weather run 12.00 in the hot weather.
Eric you are 100% correct... lets take you & me just as an example... if on a July day you are running 11.55 & I'm running 12.05 on a Pro Tree..
I dial 12.00 (I know I can only run 12.05) and you know you can only run 11.55 (example) we both are .05 slower than our index...
However I get to see the yellow FIRST and react to it... you, on the other hand, "might" see my car move first and (I know you can go .050 on the Pro Tree)... but if in the "Heat of the moment" you see my car move & you react to it, you will go RED... or if you are THINKING "I have to wait.500" chances are you might be late... either way I think the TREE advantage is mine....
As I said in the above post if they mix 11.50 and 12.00 You can bet the house I'll dial 12.00 and leave off a "Clean Tree" with NO DISTRACTIONS..
Only my opinion... I'm sure there are racers out there who would be unaffected by leaving .500 after the other car, but "I" cant & would always dial the slower ET .. just so there are no distractions...
INSANITY...I appreciate your comment but if you left on motion then you would leave if I turned my head to look at you. Or if I bumped in second you would leave on my bump to stage. You certainly are not leaving on my motion when we race pro tree because if that was the case, I would always leave first and you have seen my lights. I think you will be fine.
I do leave on motion... I red lit once because a bird flew out of the tree... How in the world would I see your face when I am focused on the three ambers,,, Is your face behing the tree?????
I do leave on motion... I red lit once because a bird flew out of the tree... How in the world would I see your face when I am focused on the three ambers,,, Is your face behing the tree?????
Have you ever looked at that tree really? There is a blinder there buddy.
If your are focused on your lights then you will do well my friend.
Does a car leaving .500 before you see the flash of yellow distract you ??
JP, isn't the .500 handicap the same as a single bulb on the regular tree? What is the difference except for the "flash" rather then the sequencial lights.
Also the .5 difference is to keep the cars who don't want a 9 second cage installed to compete, hence more cars to compete.
Dennis you are correct.... however on a full tree you will see the first two lights (Even if you are focused on the bottom yellow) so you sort of know when its coming.. however on a Pro Tree you have to REACT to the first yellow (or guess) To "Me" I find a big difference in my ability to react... On a full tree I dial what I want, either HARD or SOFT depending on the other lane ... if he is faster or slower etc.. etc... It wont bother me if I'm dialed 12.10 and he is dialed 12.30 because I have 3 lights to prepare to leave, but on a Pro Tree... I/you have to react instantly to the first flash you see...
Most of the time I can go .060 or better on a .500 Pro Tree... but NOT on a full tree ? On a full tree like most other CC drivers I can go from .-040 Red to .150 Dead Late...It happens to all of us...some are a lot more consistent on a full tree, but speaking for myself I'm more consistent on a Pro Tree.. & I find myself distracted if the other car leaves .100 - 500 before me...
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On a full tree like most other CC drivers I can go from .-040 Red to .150 Dead Late...It happens to all of us...some are a lot more consistent on a full tree, but speaking for myself I'm more consistent on a Pro Tree.. & I find myself distracted if the other car leaves .100 - 500 before me...
