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Does the height of the ABS unit matter???

Old 07-31-2013, 04:42 PM
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My buddy is relocating his ABS unit and I was wondering if there's a certain way it must be installed. For example, does it need to be a certain distance from the master cylinder or can it not be installed any lower than the calipers or any higher than the MC? Things like that.

Anyone know.
Old 07-31-2013, 07:27 PM
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:24 PM
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Probably should not be the highest point in the system.
Old 08-01-2013, 02:07 AM
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I'm thinking the calipers should be the lowest point in the system followed by the ABS unit with the MC being the highest point. Any other comments?
Old 08-01-2013, 10:02 AM
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the 97-98 cars had it mounted right behind the diff, pretty low. lower than 99+ cars at power steering pump height...
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Its a completely sealed hydraulic system that depends on pressure- not gravity. I know of at least one person who has relocated it to inside the passenger compartment (on a dedicated race car). As long as it's bled completely there should be no reason the elevation should be an issue.
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I know the system doesn't depend on gravity. The reason why I'm asking is because of air bubbles. For example; you know how calipers are suppose to be installed with the bleed screw on top, not on the bottom. This is done so when the air bubbles travel upwards you have a way of bleeding them out. If you were to mount a caliper with the bleed screw on the bottom, you'll never be able to bleed the system.

What you're saying makes sense though.

We're thinking about mounting it in the rear of the car and just extending the wires. Does anyone think there will be any issues if we simply extend the harness by soldering in more wire between the plug and harness? Same gauge of course.

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Old 08-01-2013, 12:56 PM
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ABS wires need to be twisted pairs, otherwise fine. The module takes some juice, so run appropriately (i.e. increased) gauged power wire and keep the ground short.
Really no need to "round trip" the rear ABS sensor wires (which run up to the front on 99+ cars) if you are putting the module back there, just run new wires to the new location.
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Originally Posted by RX-Ben
ABS wires need to be twisted pairs, otherwise fine. The module takes some juice, so run appropriately (i.e. increased) gauged power wire and keep the ground short.
Really no need to "round trip" the rear ABS sensor wires (which run up to the front on 99+ cars) if you are putting the module back there, just run new wires to the new location.


the power feed to the module is pretty beefy
Old 08-01-2013, 01:41 PM
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Some very good info. Thanks guys.
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Keep the unit below the top of the master cylinder fluid level, that's the only restriction.

Most hydraulic units are fused at 40A, some new cars are higher, up to 60. The high current draw is for the pump motor. Use 10 guage wire for power and ground, that will be adequate for anywhere you put it on a C5. Only the CAN lines need to be twisted pair.

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Old 08-01-2013, 06:21 PM
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What are the CAN lines that must be twisted. I don't have the unit right in front of me so I'm trying to picture what you're talking about.
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Do you have a C5 or C6? C5 and 2005 C6 is not CAN-based and use a single bus wire.

Regarding the use of twisted pairs -here is a link to the schematic and the text of the "!" icon description
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Actually this is being done to his 2002 Camaro, however I'm thinking about doin this to the Vette once I turbo it. But for now it's for his Camaro.
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Good call on the WSS. I was only thinking of signal lines. Ben's correct, they are also twisted pair.

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