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Best Road Course car off the showroom floor...

Old 06-01-2012, 05:16 PM
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Default Best Road Course car off the showroom floor...

I suppose we all have a little experience in different cars and considering how the muscle car wars are reaching a fever pitch I wonder what you guys think might be the best car as delivered for road course work.

I suppose we can discount the tires and brake pads since those items are easily changed but leaving everything else as is from factory, which cars will handle the stress, heat, body roll and traction for 30 minutes at a time, all day long as delivered?
Old 06-01-2012, 05:44 PM
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S2000? Maybe Miatas? Probably some Porsches, but I am not an expert on those. Vettes have always been decent, but they are marginal on brakes, cooling, and tie rod boots. Still, I loved all three of my Vettes.
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S2000, bone stock, will run back to back 30min sessions in any weather with zero problems. And it has 100k miles, 10 years old.
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Originally Posted by RX-Ben
S2000, bone stock, will run back to back 30min sessions in any weather with zero problems. And it has 100k miles, 10 years old.
Sounds intriguing. So the oil, coolant, transmission and rearend lubes all stay in the safe range of temperatures during hard acceleration? No extra coolers added? What about wheel bearing or brake caliper failures? And lastly, do you know where a nice one is for sale?
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Originally Posted by RX-Ben
S2000, bone stock, will run back to back 30min sessions in any weather with zero problems. And it has 100k miles, 10 years old.
Originally Posted by southern_son
Sounds intriguing. So the oil, coolant, transmission and rearend lubes all stay in the safe range of temperatures during hard acceleration? No extra coolers added? What about wheel bearing or brake caliper failures? And lastly, do you know where a nice one is for sale?
But it isn't track legal if it's bone stock. There is the expense of putting a cage in it.

I drove one. Super nice car, but no torque at all. If I wanted to wind a motor out to 9,000 rpm, I'd get a bike.
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I've driven a Ferrari 458 in Vegas, it was exquisite. Power, steering, braking and balance were perfect.
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Bang for the buck, I still vote fot the vette!!!
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Originally Posted by 05C6GAC
Bang for the buck, I still vote fot the vette!!!
Not accoring to SS"s criteria. A 'vette can't stay cool for a 30 minute session without a cooler. I only get about 4 laps.
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Dodge Viper ACR.
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Tough question? There are a lot of pretty nice stock track cars. Question?? how fast do you want to go? Hard to beat the track ready Miata's if you enjoy a momentum car. Speed per dollar per fun it is hard to beat a C5Z or C6 or C6Z. I ran a fairly stock 2007 C6Z for 2 years and had a ball with it, and out ran a lot of big buck cars. I now run a highly modified 2006 C6Z and sometimes wish I had the 2007 back. The modified car is more fun! but a lot more work and money to maintain. I vote the C6Z when you can buy a used one for under 44K. JD
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If it doesn't have a big American V8, you are just touring

I vote C5 Z06
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C5Z isn't quite as fast as the C6Z but they are pretty much bullet proof. Yes, wheel bearings and tie rod ends will fail but they do on most other heavy cars as well. They will do even better with an external oil cooler but really don't need much else.

My C6Z would run 30 minute sessions with Hawk HP+ pads on EMTs with no issue except cost of consumables (brake pads/rotors).

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I wonder if the f430 scuderia would fall into this category
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Considering you can order one from a dealership, 911 RSR, followed closely by the 911 cup, then Viper ACRX.
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The original question was really asking what the manufacturers are doing nowadays with cars such as the 302 laguna seca and the like. I have had to add coolers, bushings, accusump, brakes, seat, radiator, exhaust, cam, quartermaster clutch and many other somewhat expensive items to get the most reliable, repeatable fun out of my C5Z for road course work. It is great fun but I have had to do a lot to it. Wouldn't it be great to just walk into a dealership, buy a car, take it to the track and run it all day long in 100 degree temps and then drive it back home? Or maybe plan a cross country trip to various tracks and make a month or two of it? As it is, I trailer my vette to the track behind my GMC. Anyone with experience in the 302 Laguna Seca or is it out, yet?
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Default Best Road Course car off the showroom floor...

A Red Bull Racing 2012 F1 car

Best "affordable car" is probably a F458 Challenge car or (new) Viper ACR
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Originally Posted by southern_son
add coolers, bushings, accusump, brakes, seat, radiator, exhaust, cam, quartermaster clutch and many other somewhat expensive items to get the most reliable, repeatable fun out of my C5Z for road course work.
However, you probably could have gotten away without the brakes, radiator, exhaust, cam and clutch. I changed the brakes since I didn't want to fight with the constant pad taper but I lived with that issue from 97 until 05 when I added the LG G Stops to my 03Z. I didn't add a seat until 07 so I went 10 seasons between two C5s with the stock seat. I used straight pipes on the 97 because I was able to get a set already made up for $50 at Carlisle but the C5Z had stock exhaust. Didn't really want to mod the engine on either car so went 12 years with stock engined C5s. I did add the DRM Radiator w EOC after 3 seasons with the 97 and carried that over to the Z but I could have gotten away with just the oil cooler as a lot of other people did. I don't really see much different between the C5/C6 and what people do with BMWs, P Cars, etc. Other than front brake calipers and a pair of race seats and a harness bar my C6Z is pure stock. A fair number end up with seat, reliability and brake mods. BMW seats aren't as good as the stock C5/C6 seat systems since their belts don't have the cinch feature and you really do slide around in them. Wasn't all that impressed with the P car seats either.

The Lotus is an interesting car although I don't know how much effort they need to get them to the track.

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Originally Posted by southern_son
The original question was really asking what the manufacturers are doing nowadays with cars such as the 302 laguna seca and the like. I have had to add coolers, bushings, accusump, brakes, seat, radiator, exhaust, cam, quartermaster clutch and many other somewhat expensive items to get the most reliable, repeatable fun out of my C5Z for road course work. ?
Per above, which coolers did you add?? I have an external engine oil cooler but recently had to have my diff re-sealed. I think for 30 min sessions in 100F heat, the C5 at least may need a diff cooler. Curious your opinion...I haven't heard of many folks blowing the diff seal.
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997 GT3 gets my vote. Bullet proof out of the box.
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Originally Posted by southern_son
The original question was really asking what the manufacturers are doing nowadays with cars such as the 302 laguna seca and the like. I have had to add coolers, bushings, accusump, brakes, seat, radiator, exhaust, cam, quartermaster clutch and many other somewhat expensive items to get the most reliable, repeatable fun out of my C5Z for road course work. It is great fun but I have had to do a lot to it. Wouldn't it be great to just walk into a dealership, buy a car, take it to the track and run it all day long in 100 degree temps and then drive it back home? Or maybe plan a cross country trip to various tracks and make a month or two of it? As it is, I trailer my vette to the track behind my GMC. Anyone with experience in the 302 Laguna Seca or is it out, yet?
At 3600+ pounds, Boss 302s are not going to meet your criteria.

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