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Old 02-01-2012, 12:44 PM
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Old 02-01-2012, 12:46 PM
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Does this mean we all get free ZR1s now? You know... gotta spread that wealth around.

This picture sums it up nicely... Nobody wants a Volt...



PS - Obama still sucks
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GM dealers in California won't even take any more Volts.
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Originally Posted by drivinhard
I say Lou could take him
Originally Posted by travisnd
Does this mean we all get free ZR1s now? You know... gotta spread that wealth around.

This picture sums it up nicely... Nobody wants a Volt...

That looks like a happy guy for someone who wanted to ban Corvettes....

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PS - Obama still sucks
Old 02-01-2012, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by drivinhard
I say Lou could take him
I wish someone set the airbag off just as this picture was taken. Then someone proclaim that it was hope and change that caused it.
Old 02-01-2012, 03:33 PM
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Another term and he will be sitting in his peoples car, the Obama Motors Hussein Trabant electric 2 cycle hybrid in 5 years.
Old 02-01-2012, 03:36 PM
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Nothing wrong with another Vette convert in high places.
Old 02-01-2012, 03:49 PM
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Fuel regs are (properly) fleetwide. If a mfg can sell enough efficient cars, it can spend its accumulated spare fuel economy allowance on absurd things like a ZR1.
It is up to a mfg to organize itself accordingly and is hardly the death knell for fast cars, especially cars like the C5/C6 that get relatively great mileage (i.e. better than many boring cars).
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Originally Posted by RX-Ben
Fuel regs are (properly) fleetwide. If a mfg can sell enough efficient cars, it can spend its accumulated spare fuel economy allowance on absurd things like a ZR1.
It is up to a mfg to organize itself accordingly and is hardly the death knell for fast cars, especially cars like the C5/C6 that get relatively great mileage (i.e. better than many boring cars).
The issue is that they actually have to sell these efficient cars. If supply and demand keep fuel prices in check, automakers won't sell enough hyper-efficient hybrid or full electric vehicles (which cost more than their dyno burning cousins) to even meet CAFE. What the bureaucrats don't understand is that they can't legislate consumers into buying electric cars. CAFE standards are already BS but even worse is how they calculate MPGe for full electrics. How about letting the customers buy what they want and let the market go where it wants?
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Originally Posted by RX-Ben
Fuel regs are (properly) fleetwide. If a mfg can sell enough efficient cars, it can spend its accumulated spare fuel economy allowance on absurd things like a ZR1.
It is up to a mfg to organize itself accordingly and is hardly the death knell for fast cars, especially cars like the C5/C6 that get relatively great mileage (i.e. better than many boring cars).
Get out of here with your logic... this is about Obama destroying America and our hobby
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Separate issue, but I agree to the degree that we don't intentionally distort the market (subsidize the true price of fuel and costs of fuel usage).
On a grander scale, I think we should be looking at energy cost/usage costs over the life cycle of a vehicle.
Old 02-01-2012, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by travisnd
Get out of here with your logic... this is about Obama destroying America and our hobby
If he didn't save GM most would have no hobby with vettes. BTW both parties SUCK!

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Originally Posted by John Shiels
If he didn't save GM most would have no hobby with vettes. BTW both parties SUCK!
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Originally Posted by drivinhard
I say Lou could take him
The value of that car just plummeted.
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I don't get it! During his presidency GM went from bankrupt to being #1 within three years. What's with the Obama bashing? He's just cleaning up the mess that Texan left behind.

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Oh good lord, I think I'm going to vomit.
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Originally Posted by hamdog
I don't get it! During his presidency GM went from bankrupt to being #1 within three years. What's with the Obama bashing? He's just cleaning up the mess that Texan left behind.
Bush is the one that gave GM all that money Einstein.
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Originally Posted by sperkins
Bush is the one that gave GM all that money Einstein.
Bush pushed off GM's inventible bankruptcy by 1-1.5 years. The real work began after he left office.
Read this whole article (not just one paragraph) when you have a chance to get the details on what really happened. You'll find that the defining decisions were made during this administration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...reorganization

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