Hoosier R6's (Highway Use)
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Hoosier R6's (Highway Use)
Ive searched and there are a lot of mixed reviews on this? There's some members that say, how its fine on the highway to tracks. Then there are other members who are adamant that the safety is also in the construction and they arent safe? That they puncture to drive on?
Im looking for a tire that will give we GREAT traction on the street, but not drive around on drag slicks. Im very interested in these tires and figured I'd ask you guys. I know I can get NT05R's but figured Id get some more opinions on REAL experiences. Not people just talking about what they think. I know many of you commute to the tracks without trailers so Im all ears
Thanks
Im looking for a tire that will give we GREAT traction on the street, but not drive around on drag slicks. Im very interested in these tires and figured I'd ask you guys. I know I can get NT05R's but figured Id get some more opinions on REAL experiences. Not people just talking about what they think. I know many of you commute to the tracks without trailers so Im all ears
Thanks
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NT05 and Toyo R888 experience here... Toyos best track performance but wear quickly on street ... and if it rains on the way there .... Forget it speeds must drop when they are new. When they really start getting good on the track they offer 0 hydroplane resistance and are very dangerous on street.
I am running R6 on the track and now they would offer no rain traction. As far as puncture resistance .... they are more vulnerable because there is no tread to absorb a puncture. Think about your PS2 tire you have a good hunk of tread on the tire before it goes into the air holding portion of the tire.... But a R6 does not have that and with the softer compound it may be more vulnerable to a object then the harder street tires.
I stick with used craigslist list tires for street. My track alignment settings kill tires and it is very rare I find the corning limit safely on the street with any tire, so in my use not too worried about high traction on street and I save R6 for track only.
but net here is you could do it ... More vulnerable .. Yes Good street traction Yes ... Better options for street / track Yes Toyo and NT05
I am running R6 on the track and now they would offer no rain traction. As far as puncture resistance .... they are more vulnerable because there is no tread to absorb a puncture. Think about your PS2 tire you have a good hunk of tread on the tire before it goes into the air holding portion of the tire.... But a R6 does not have that and with the softer compound it may be more vulnerable to a object then the harder street tires.
I stick with used craigslist list tires for street. My track alignment settings kill tires and it is very rare I find the corning limit safely on the street with any tire, so in my use not too worried about high traction on street and I save R6 for track only.
but net here is you could do it ... More vulnerable .. Yes Good street traction Yes ... Better options for street / track Yes Toyo and NT05
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NT05 and Toyo R888 experience here... Toyos best track performance but wear quickly on street ... and if it rains on the way there .... Forget it speeds must drop when they are new. When they really start getting good on the track they offer 0 hydroplane resistance and are very dangerous on street.
I am running R6 on the track and now they would offer no rain traction. As far as puncture resistance .... they are more vulnerable because there is no tread to absorb a puncture. Think about your PS2 tire you have a good hunk of tread on the tire before it goes into the air holding portion of the tire.... But a R6 does not have that and with the softer compound it may be more vulnerable to a object then the harder street tires.
I stick with used craigslist list tires for street. My track alignment settings kill tires and it is very rare I find the corning limit safely on the street with any tire, so in my use not too worried about high traction on street and I save R6 for track only.
but net here is you could do it ... More vulnerable .. Yes Good street traction Yes ... Better options for street / track Yes Toyo and NT05
I am running R6 on the track and now they would offer no rain traction. As far as puncture resistance .... they are more vulnerable because there is no tread to absorb a puncture. Think about your PS2 tire you have a good hunk of tread on the tire before it goes into the air holding portion of the tire.... But a R6 does not have that and with the softer compound it may be more vulnerable to a object then the harder street tires.
I stick with used craigslist list tires for street. My track alignment settings kill tires and it is very rare I find the corning limit safely on the street with any tire, so in my use not too worried about high traction on street and I save R6 for track only.
but net here is you could do it ... More vulnerable .. Yes Good street traction Yes ... Better options for street / track Yes Toyo and NT05
The NT05R I may get, Ill need to check out Toyo's.
Another one Im considering is the sport cups. I dont want to have traction issues on the street and Mini-tubbing will come in time. I can pull over in the rain, but I am worried about punctures
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I drive mine to the track, sometimes several hours each way. I've got caught in the rain and thought the slicks did pretty well. I've even driven in the snow.
Had a funny in the shop, set my magnet tool on a fairly worn down A6, tried to pick it up and noticed it was stuck to the tire!
Had a funny in the shop, set my magnet tool on a fairly worn down A6, tried to pick it up and noticed it was stuck to the tire!
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Where are you all getting these Toyo's?
The NT05R I may get, Ill need to check out Toyo's.
Another one Im considering is the sport cups. I dont want to have traction issues on the street and Mini-tubbing will come in time. I can pull over in the rain, but I am worried about punctures
The NT05R I may get, Ill need to check out Toyo's.
Another one Im considering is the sport cups. I dont want to have traction issues on the street and Mini-tubbing will come in time. I can pull over in the rain, but I am worried about punctures
You looking for straight line acceleration or cornering max grip on street?
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I drive mine to the track, sometimes several hours each way. I've got caught in the rain and thought the slicks did pretty well. I've even driven in the snow.
Had a funny in the shop, set my magnet tool on a fairly worn down A6, tried to pick it up and noticed it was stuck to the tire!
Had a funny in the shop, set my magnet tool on a fairly worn down A6, tried to pick it up and noticed it was stuck to the tire!
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Thanks for contributing btw
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In my opinion R6s will heat cycle out with regular street use to the point that they will offer no better grip than most performance street tires, but you will still have all the other R6 liabilities.
I got some Toyo RA1s for my Caddy CTS-V. Those tires have at least a modicum of grooving and the rubber compound gets faster with age and heat cycles unlike almost every other fast tire out there.
Oli
I got some Toyo RA1s for my Caddy CTS-V. Those tires have at least a modicum of grooving and the rubber compound gets faster with age and heat cycles unlike almost every other fast tire out there.
Oli
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Real world R6 experiences; drove 150 miles each way to the track many times, there is no problem that a little common sense can't solve. Be cautious when it is cold outside(the tires never reach working temps on the street) because there is much less traction than a street tire. If it starts raining, I slow down to 50-55 mph on a well drained highway otherwise just pull over until the rain subsides.
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In my opinion R6s will heat cycle out with regular street use to the point that they will offer no better grip than most performance street tires, but you will still have all the other R6 liabilities.
I got some Toyo RA1s for my Caddy CTS-V. Those tires have at least a modicum of grooving and the rubber compound gets faster with age and heat cycles unlike almost every other fast tire out there.
Oli
I got some Toyo RA1s for my Caddy CTS-V. Those tires have at least a modicum of grooving and the rubber compound gets faster with age and heat cycles unlike almost every other fast tire out there.
Oli
Thanks for the detailed response
Real world R6 experiences; drove 150 miles each way to the track many times, there is no problem that a little common sense can't solve. Be cautious when it is cold outside(the tires never reach working temps on the street) because there is much less traction than a street tire. If it starts raining, I slow down to 50-55 mph on a well drained highway otherwise just pull over until the rain subsides.
Keep the suggestions coming guys.
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I recommend the michilin Pilot sport Cup tires... I run the PS2 tire in everyday use and then when I drive to the track I throw on my CUP tires... No problem with getting caught in the rain, and on the track, they are awesome...
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I have run toyo r888 on the street and track for the the last 3 yrs
did 10 track days last year and it's between 400-600 miles round trip to the tracks. they are a great street tire ,first set lasted 7,000 miles and 7 track days.
In 2009 and 2010 i used them on my daily driver that put 40,000miles a year. I would get almost 30,000 miles out of them(r888) on my 2008 evolutionX.
But, by no way are they as good as mickey thompson et drag radial for anything short of pushing the car very hard on turns or mountain roads
you give up some in the turns but they make up for it off the line and anything straight..(I ran a 8.25@176 in 1/4mile on a set of 275/60r15 in a 3600lb mustang full street car)they are great tires!(et radials)
now have been using for the last couple months r6 and a6 tires
have driven about 500 miles on the street with the r6 and think it sucks compaired to the r888 on the street they never get hot enough to have any fun.
I have yet try the a6 on the street,but as short of life they have on the track i would think it would be a waste of time on the street.(but they where 5 sec.faster on a short track over the toyo r888)
I ran the toyo RA1 from 2006-2009 on my 2006 evolution went thru 3 sets of them in 90,000miles. they lasted forever on the street but they have a soft sidewall and the steering feel was not as good as the toyo R888..
Just my input...
hope it helps
did 10 track days last year and it's between 400-600 miles round trip to the tracks. they are a great street tire ,first set lasted 7,000 miles and 7 track days.
In 2009 and 2010 i used them on my daily driver that put 40,000miles a year. I would get almost 30,000 miles out of them(r888) on my 2008 evolutionX.
But, by no way are they as good as mickey thompson et drag radial for anything short of pushing the car very hard on turns or mountain roads
you give up some in the turns but they make up for it off the line and anything straight..(I ran a 8.25@176 in 1/4mile on a set of 275/60r15 in a 3600lb mustang full street car)they are great tires!(et radials)
now have been using for the last couple months r6 and a6 tires
have driven about 500 miles on the street with the r6 and think it sucks compaired to the r888 on the street they never get hot enough to have any fun.
I have yet try the a6 on the street,but as short of life they have on the track i would think it would be a waste of time on the street.(but they where 5 sec.faster on a short track over the toyo r888)
I ran the toyo RA1 from 2006-2009 on my 2006 evolution went thru 3 sets of them in 90,000miles. they lasted forever on the street but they have a soft sidewall and the steering feel was not as good as the toyo R888..
Just my input...
hope it helps
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I have run toyo r888 on the street and track for the the last 3 yrs
did 10 track days last year and it's between 400-600 miles round trip to the tracks. they are a great street tire ,first set lasted 7,000 miles and 7 track days.
In 2009 and 2010 i used them on my daily driver that put 40,000miles a year. I would get almost 30,000 miles out of them(r888) on my 2008 evolutionX.
But, by no way are they as good as mickey thompson et drag radial for anything short of pushing the car very hard on turns or mountain roads
you give up some in the turns but they make up for it off the line and anything straight..(I ran a 8.25@176 in 1/4mile on a set of 275/60r15 in a 3600lb mustang full street car)they are great tires!(et radials)
now have been using for the last couple months r6 and a6 tires
have driven about 500 miles on the street with the r6 and think it sucks compaired to the r888 on the street they never get hot enough to have any fun.
I have yet try the a6 on the street,but as short of life they have on the track i would think it would be a waste of time on the street.(but they where 5 sec.faster on a short track over the toyo r888)
I ran the toyo RA1 from 2006-2009 on my 2006 evolution went thru 3 sets of them in 90,000miles. they lasted forever on the street but they have a soft sidewall and the steering feel was not as good as the toyo R888..
Just my input...
hope it helps
did 10 track days last year and it's between 400-600 miles round trip to the tracks. they are a great street tire ,first set lasted 7,000 miles and 7 track days.
In 2009 and 2010 i used them on my daily driver that put 40,000miles a year. I would get almost 30,000 miles out of them(r888) on my 2008 evolutionX.
But, by no way are they as good as mickey thompson et drag radial for anything short of pushing the car very hard on turns or mountain roads
you give up some in the turns but they make up for it off the line and anything straight..(I ran a 8.25@176 in 1/4mile on a set of 275/60r15 in a 3600lb mustang full street car)they are great tires!(et radials)
now have been using for the last couple months r6 and a6 tires
have driven about 500 miles on the street with the r6 and think it sucks compaired to the r888 on the street they never get hot enough to have any fun.
I have yet try the a6 on the street,but as short of life they have on the track i would think it would be a waste of time on the street.(but they where 5 sec.faster on a short track over the toyo r888)
I ran the toyo RA1 from 2006-2009 on my 2006 evolution went thru 3 sets of them in 90,000miles. they lasted forever on the street but they have a soft sidewall and the steering feel was not as good as the toyo R888..
Just my input...
hope it helps
#18
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Also, I find at least in California you can heat cycle out a tire pretty easily just driving around on warm asphalt. On a 90+ degree day with the sun overhead you can get temps on asphalt well past 100 degrees. if you then go on a drive the tire temps easily get up into the heat cycle range and tires like the R6 will become hardened and useless for the track well before the grooves are gone.
I love A6 tires, but I would never drive them on the street. They are way too fragile for all the crap on the street. The same for the R6.
R888s I never really liked either. I think the RA-1 is a much better tire.
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PS. TiresDirect.net had my 275/35x18 Toyo RA1s for the CTS-V for only $236 each in December.