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Old 03-08-2010, 04:32 PM
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Default What is protocol for "White Flag"?

Descriptions say "Used to indicate a slow moving vehicle ahead (i.e. broken car being nursed to pits). It could also indicate an ambulance/rescue vehicle is on the course." So does that just mean no passing, or just slow down, or get off line? What do you do especially if you see an emergency vehicle either on track or off track?
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All it means is be aware that you may have to slow down and alter your line. Remember that it is supposed to be shown for 2 stations before the vehicle.

I don't really slow, passing is ok.

edit- my experience is with SCCA, no idea what other groups do.

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It depends on what organization you are running with and if you are racing or running a HPDE. For HPDE the safety vehicle has absolute right of way and you shoulld definitely slow down until clear of the situation. White is usually a no passing situation until clear. In a race it is another story and you usually keep running hard. Hopefully you do get at least a two station notice before safety vehicle location.
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At HPDE events I've seen the white flag and gone around track trucks and broken cars. I've also got in long trains behind a slow moving partly broken car where people will not go around. That really pisses me off. They follow the really slow car around the track and stay right behind it. Not good if it leaks fluids or starts on fire. When people don't go around it really ***** up the session since all the cars are bunched up then.
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The white flag is an information flag and indicates a slow moving vehicle ahead (ambulance, wrecker, or slow car). It's typically displayed at start-finish and (as several have already noted) at two flag stations preceding the slow moving vehicle. The white flag may have a red cross on it. Some sanctioning bodies use the white flag to identify the beginning of the last lap of the race.
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I would consider how I would feel if I were in the broken car, and the wrecker/ambulance coming to rescue me were hit by a fellow competitor
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I think I would ask the question at the driver's meeting before I went on track if they didn't already define what flags would be used and what they meant (which is what has happened at each driver's meeting I've attended, albeit not that many different organizations).

Have a good one,
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I thought it meant "Sperkins Ahead"
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Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
I think I would ask the question at the driver's meeting before I went on track if they didn't already define what flags would be used and what they meant (which is what has happened at each driver's meeting I've attended, albeit not that many different organizations).

Have a good one,
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You will still find a huge disparity in what people think a flag means.

Walk through a paddock and ask people what a yellow flag means and you will get a variety of answers. If you watch how people treat them on the track, you will see even more differences.
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white flag = surrender
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeZ06
white flag = surrender


MEANS LAST LAP HERE...HAUL *** !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Jason
I thought it meant "Sperkins Ahead"
Let the games begin!
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeZ06
white flag = surrender
I thought it ment I'm French and I surrender.
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White is the last lap indicator everywhere I've been.
Stationary yellow; caution.
Waving yellow; caution/crash area, slow down & be prepared avoid emergency vehicles or debris.
I have seen the white used together with a blue flag to mean slow down/no passing till green again. Depends where you race I guess.
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Originally Posted by Jason
I thought it meant "Sperkins Ahead"
Now that's just wrong. Funny but wrong.
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Originally Posted by Klondike
White is the last lap indicator everywhere I've been.
Stationary yellow; caution.
Waving yellow; caution/crash area, slow down & be prepared avoid emergency vehicles or debris.
I have seen the white used together with a blue flag to mean slow down/no passing till green again. Depends where you race I guess.
In SCCA, only pro sanctioned events use a white flag to indicate last lap. How does NASA/PCA/HSR/etc. use the white flag?
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Originally Posted by Wren
In SCCA, only pro sanctioned events use a white flag to indicate last lap. How does NASA/PCA/HSR/etc. use the white flag?
I was referring to HPDEs mostly. At the Rd Atl NASA last summer, there was an amublance and a wrecker on track, white flag displayed, and I slowed down and people passed me. The Asphalt Ventures I went to yesterday had the description above. Fortunately I never saw it. I guess the best thing to do is ask at drivers meeting.

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Old 03-10-2010, 09:42 AM
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WHite flag is usually displayed with a waving or standing yellow.

White flag means a slow vehicle is on the track, either a wrecker, ambulance or a broke car trying to nurse its way to the pits (or sperkins, or jaa going full blast)

Some tracks have a white flag with a red cross, that is used for an ambulance or saftey crew on track.

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Originally Posted by Wren
You will still find a huge disparity in what people think a flag means.

Walk through a paddock and ask people what a yellow flag means and you will get a variety of answers. If you watch how people treat them on the track, you will see even more differences.
Oh, absolutely. That's why I'd bring it up at the driver's meeting. Even if individual drivers didn't agree with what the organizers mean by a given flag, at least they know what the organizers are doing when a given flag is displayed.

Have a good one,
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Some DE'S also use it for the car ahead of you is going in the pits.


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