Flip Tires or Swap Wheels
05-22-2006, 08:01 PM
#1
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Flip Tires or Swap Wheels
Track I run (WSIR) wears outer edge of driver front tire. Both front tires are worn but still have some life left.
Do I need swap the two front tires?
.....or can I just swap the wheels at the track and run the tread backwards. Then swap back before leaving the track.
Tires are Nitto RII
Thanks,
DH
Do I need swap the two front tires?
.....or can I just swap the wheels at the track and run the tread backwards. Then swap back before leaving the track.
Tires are Nitto RII
Thanks,
DH
05-22-2006, 08:10 PM
#2
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
.....or can I just swap the wheels at the track and run the tread backwards. Then swap back before leaving the track.
Tires are Nitto RII
Thanks,
DH
Tires are Nitto RII
Thanks,
DH
05-23-2006, 01:05 AM
#4
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by varkwso
Yes - I just did this last weekend with Sumitomos. It only matters if it rains - but then it never rains in Southern California so I remember...
DH
05-23-2006, 01:10 AM
#5
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by joemoia
Howard,
Allan checked with Nitto, and its OK to run the tires with the tread backwards on a dry track.
Allan checked with Nitto, and its OK to run the tires with the tread backwards on a dry track.
........so I guess you will see me doing the old wheel swapping bright and early
DH
05-23-2006, 02:29 AM
#7
Burning Brakes
Howie, are you talking about flipping the tire inside to outside on the wheel, or just flipping wheels from side to side? Either way, doesn't really matter . . . the directional tread thats on the tires you're talking about are all for water egress . . . assuming no water, you can safely swap and never know the difference. If you're hardcore, you'll eventually end up swapping the tire inside to outside on the wheel . . . . just the thing for camber challenged cars, or too much shoulder wear.
05-23-2006, 06:30 PM
#8
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Thread Starter
Originally Posted by emf
Howie, are you talking about flipping the tire inside to outside on the wheel, or just flipping wheels from side to side? Either way, doesn't really matter . . . the directional tread thats on the tires you're talking about are all for water egress . . . assuming no water, you can safely swap and never know the difference. If you're hardcore, you'll eventually end up swapping the tire inside to outside on the wheel . . . . just the thing for camber challenged cars, or too much shoulder wear.
These are my street and track tires......
I have gotten VERY EVEN wear on all 4. Just noticably more on that outside driver front. I have Z06 alignment. Probably I should just swap the front tires but got to find the time and its a waste of good BRAKE PAD money. I will just swap the wheel before first session and get some wear on that good passenger tire. Then swap back before leaving the track.
DH
05-23-2006, 06:41 PM
#9
Le Mans Master
Doesn't reversing rotation cause the plies/cords/belts to be pulled
in a direction opposite to that in which they have taken a set?
I've got wear on the outsides of GY GS-C's which are directional
and side specific. I'm going to flip the tires on the wheels and
move the fronts to the rears: pass front will land on driver's
rear & ect - but all will continue to rotate and be loaded in the
direction in which they were in the past.
I expect to lose performance and to experience a bit of wiggle
because of the different wear characteristics fr/rr. But I'm of
the opinion that keeping the tires turning the same direction
reduces the likelyhood of internal separation or other damage.
Yes, no, maybe so ??
.
in a direction opposite to that in which they have taken a set?
I've got wear on the outsides of GY GS-C's which are directional
and side specific. I'm going to flip the tires on the wheels and
move the fronts to the rears: pass front will land on driver's
rear & ect - but all will continue to rotate and be loaded in the
direction in which they were in the past.
I expect to lose performance and to experience a bit of wiggle
because of the different wear characteristics fr/rr. But I'm of
the opinion that keeping the tires turning the same direction
reduces the likelyhood of internal separation or other damage.
Yes, no, maybe so ??
.
05-23-2006, 07:39 PM
#10
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Slalom4me
Doesn't reversing rotation cause the plies/cords/belts to be pulled
in a direction opposite to that in which they have taken a set?
I've got wear on the outsides of GY GS-C's which are directional
and side specific. I'm going to flip the tires on the wheels and
move the fronts to the rears: pass front will land on driver's
rear & ect - but all will continue to rotate and be loaded in the
direction in which they were in the past.
I expect to lose performance and to experience a bit of wiggle
because of the different wear characteristics fr/rr. But I'm of
the opinion that keeping the tires turning the same direction
reduces the likelyhood of internal separation or other damage.
Yes, no, maybe so ??
.
in a direction opposite to that in which they have taken a set?
I've got wear on the outsides of GY GS-C's which are directional
and side specific. I'm going to flip the tires on the wheels and
move the fronts to the rears: pass front will land on driver's
rear & ect - but all will continue to rotate and be loaded in the
direction in which they were in the past.
I expect to lose performance and to experience a bit of wiggle
because of the different wear characteristics fr/rr. But I'm of
the opinion that keeping the tires turning the same direction
reduces the likelyhood of internal separation or other damage.
Yes, no, maybe so ??
.
DH
05-23-2006, 09:44 PM
#11
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by Slalom4me
Doesn't reversing rotation cause the plies/cords/belts to be pulled
in a direction opposite to that in which they have taken a set?
I've got wear on the outsides of GY GS-C's which are directional
and side specific. I'm going to flip the tires on the wheels and
move the fronts to the rears: pass front will land on driver's
rear & ect - but all will continue to rotate and be loaded in the
direction in which they were in the past.
I expect to lose performance and to experience a bit of wiggle
because of the different wear characteristics fr/rr. But I'm of
the opinion that keeping the tires turning the same direction
reduces the likelyhood of internal separation or other damage.
Yes, no, maybe so ??
.
in a direction opposite to that in which they have taken a set?
I've got wear on the outsides of GY GS-C's which are directional
and side specific. I'm going to flip the tires on the wheels and
move the fronts to the rears: pass front will land on driver's
rear & ect - but all will continue to rotate and be loaded in the
direction in which they were in the past.
I expect to lose performance and to experience a bit of wiggle
because of the different wear characteristics fr/rr. But I'm of
the opinion that keeping the tires turning the same direction
reduces the likelyhood of internal separation or other damage.
Yes, no, maybe so ??
.
05-23-2006, 09:47 PM
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Just dial in more negative camber. Answers all probs and eliminates premature tire wear.
BTW, were your tire temps even when checked on pit lane or or what was the differential?
Steve
BTW, were your tire temps even when checked on pit lane or or what was the differential?
Steve
05-23-2006, 10:28 PM
#13
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Thread Starter
Originally Posted by steve-d
Just dial in more negative camber. Answers all probs and eliminates premature tire wear.
BTW, were your tire temps even when checked on pit lane or or what was the differential?
Steve
BTW, were your tire temps even when checked on pit lane or or what was the differential?
Steve
......WSIR has TWO long right hand sweepers and only two short lefties.......it is a common wear problem seen at this track!!!
DH
05-24-2006, 12:46 AM
#14
Melting Slicks
Howie, you gotta run more tracks! BW both directions, Sears Point CW, Laguna Seca CCW, makes for more even wear. Then you just get the tires remounted on opposite sides and get a whole new outside edge to abuse, or wear as the case may be.
BTW, five days at Reno-Fernley this month ....
Randy
BTW, five days at Reno-Fernley this month ....
Randy
05-24-2006, 06:35 AM
#15
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
Tire temps were even.
......WSIR has TWO long right hand sweepers and only two short lefties.......it is a common wear problem seen at this track!!!
DH
......WSIR has TWO long right hand sweepers and only two short lefties.......it is a common wear problem seen at this track!!!
DH
And most other road courses...I see it all the time
I agree with StArrrow68 - you cannot run too many tracks...
05-24-2006, 04:59 PM
#16
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by StArrow68
Howie, you gotta run more tracks! BW both directions, Sears Point CW, Laguna Seca CCW, makes for more even wear. Then you just get the tires remounted on opposite sides and get a whole new outside edge to abuse, or wear as the case may be.
BTW, five days at Reno-Fernley this month ....
Randy
BTW, five days at Reno-Fernley this month ....
Randy
.......I will try running it CCW
.....maybe no one will notice 
DH