Loss of seat travel with hardbar....
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Loss of seat travel with hardbar....
Is this normal..as i never heard a thing about it.. must have lost 2-3" of travel (wont go back all the way. Whats a 6 foot man to do, my buddy installed it in his car and is sorta bummed.
Last edited by JamMasterJ; 07-11-2006 at 11:57 PM.
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Yeah, the loss is well documented on this forum in many posts. I'm 6' and don't have much of a problem when in "driving" position. Maybe I use a more upright seating position. Only thing I change is with the easy out feature enabled I sort of raise my back so the seat can go all the way back without putting stress on the mechanism when it reaches the most rearward position.
It is an issue with my seat bracket mounted 6 point harness bracket is installed. As I only install the lap and sub belts for track days I put them in the night before an event. I remove the harness bracket BEFORE leaving the track. Takes less than 5 minutes.
Are you driving in the "low rider" position with the seat back severly laid back. I know the hip hop gang do this to lower their profile and minimize target size when encountering drive by shooting situations.
I leave the bar and shoulder harnesses in all the time.
Rick
It is an issue with my seat bracket mounted 6 point harness bracket is installed. As I only install the lap and sub belts for track days I put them in the night before an event. I remove the harness bracket BEFORE leaving the track. Takes less than 5 minutes.
Are you driving in the "low rider" position with the seat back severly laid back. I know the hip hop gang do this to lower their profile and minimize target size when encountering drive by shooting situations.
I leave the bar and shoulder harnesses in all the time.
Rick
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Yes, you do loose some travel. I'm a bit over 6' and don't have an issue with it though. I did disable the "easy entry" feature so the seat doesn't go back and rub on the bar each time, but when in driving position I have a good couple of inches to spare.
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Originally Posted by freefall
Yes, you do loose some travel. I'm a bit over 6' and don't have an issue with it though. I did disable the "easy entry" feature so the seat doesn't go back and rub on the bar each time, but when in driving position I have a good couple of inches to spare.
Same here; I'm 6'1.
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Originally Posted by JamMasterJ
Is this normal..as i never heard a thing about it.. must have lost 2-3" of travel (wont go back all the way. Whats a 6 foot man to do?
Most ppl set way too far back in their seats. Make'n the seen with the gansta lean is not how to drive a sports car.
Sit in your seat and put your wrists over the steering wheel and 11 and 1 o'clock. ( wrists not hands) There should be a 90* bend in your elbows. If there is not this 90* bend move your seat foward. In my case I moved my seat forward 5" and I think another 1" would be better.
PPl make the mistake of incorrectly turing the steering wheel. Esxample when makeing a left handed turn, most ppl turn the steering wheel by PUSHING OVER THE TOP of the steering wheel to the left with the right hand.
The correct way is to PULL DOWN WITH THE left hand as the right hand does less then 15% of the steering.
Always pull the steering wheel down in the direction of your turn. Your arm muscles are much stronger pulling the steering wheel down vs pushing the wheel over the top.
Keep your hands at 9 and 3 or as close to that position as possible. In a C5 it is about 9:30 and 2:30 - If at all possible dont reposition your hands ( shuffle steer) during a turn.
You will have much more control and be safter when turning.
Last edited by AU N EGL; 05-12-2006 at 08:19 AM.
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Originally Posted by JamMasterJ
Is this normal..as i never heard a thing about it.. must have lost 2-3" of travel (wont go back all the way. Whats a 6 foot man to do?
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Originally Posted by RandyVettes
I dumped my hardbar for a CrossBar, it sits further back and doesnt mess withthe seat.
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Originally Posted by JamMasterJ
Is this normal..as i never heard a thing about it.. must have lost 2-3" of travel (wont go back all the way. Whats a 6 foot man to do?
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Not saying you're wrong, cause I'm a noob, but this is the complete opposite of the technique taught by the late Ayrton Senna. He said one of his secrets was to use the opposite hand (use right hand for left turn, etc) to push the wheel through the turn, the inside hand just rides along on the wheel. His reasoning was that you have much better feel with that hand and when you hit bumps, you are less likely to upset the car. When you bottom on a bump, if your strong inside hand is pulling the wheel down, natuarally your hand goes down more adding unwanted steering input. Oppositely, with Senna's technique, the hand pushing up is already resisting the force of the bump even before you hit it and the car stays more stabil as you avoid extra unwanted input. Try it, it really works. The problem is that most of us are not in the kind of shape that an F1 driver is. Senna never had power steering either. This was written in a book by Senna on driving technique. He considered this very important. He also said that proper driving position was to be able to put your wrists over the top of the wheel with your arms straight and your back completely against the seat. According to his writings, you sit too close. But for solo2, close is good according to Henry Watts, Secrets of Solo Racing.
No offense to your suggestions, but I'll take Senna's advice. Now go hit the weight room sissy...
No offense to your suggestions, but I'll take Senna's advice. Now go hit the weight room sissy...
Originally Posted by AU N EGL
PPl make the mistake of incorrectly turing the steering wheel. Esxample when makeing a left handed turn, most ppl turn the steering wheel by PUSHING OVER THE TOP of the steering wheel to the left with the right hand.
The correct way is to PULL DOWN WITH THE left hand as the right hand does less then 15% of the steering.
Always pull the steering wheel down in the direction of your turn. Your arm muscles are much stronger pulling the steering wheel down vs pushing the wheel over the top.
The correct way is to PULL DOWN WITH THE left hand as the right hand does less then 15% of the steering.
Always pull the steering wheel down in the direction of your turn. Your arm muscles are much stronger pulling the steering wheel down vs pushing the wheel over the top.
Last edited by daveydc5; 05-13-2006 at 09:38 PM.
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Originally Posted by freefall
Yes, you do loose some travel. I'm a bit over 6' and don't have an issue with it though. I did disable the "easy entry" feature so the seat doesn't go back and rub on the bar each time, but when in driving position I have a good couple of inches to spare.
I am 6' even and have no problems with the seat travel. As freefall has I disabled the easy entry feature to protect my stock seats. With my EVO Ls in I have quite a large space between seats and bar.
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Originally Posted by JamMasterJ
Is this normal..as i never heard a thing about it.. must have lost 2-3" of travel (wont go back all the way. Whats a 6 foot man to do?
Last edited by rudyarias; 05-14-2006 at 01:49 PM.
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Originally Posted by rudyarias
I ended up using the BK seat anchors with my Hardbar. The one that hardbar sells takes about an 1 1/2" travel away from the seats. The BK is attached to the seats and does not affect the travel.