375 hp in an 850 lb wrapper.
04-18-2006, 09:59 AM
#1
Le Mans Master
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375 hp in an 850 lb wrapper.
This could be an entertaining diversion
Specifications
You'll need to work a bit to find it, but more info about the background
and the current status is available here.
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Specifications
You'll need to work a bit to find it, but more info about the background
and the current status is available here.
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04-18-2006, 10:29 AM
#3
Le Mans Master
No sirrrreee, Bob! That's not for me.
That thing is more of a coffin than a car. Look at the short wheelbase. It would be so twitchy at speed, it'd be almost uncontrollable.
That thing is more of a coffin than a car. Look at the short wheelbase. It would be so twitchy at speed, it'd be almost uncontrollable.
04-18-2006, 10:56 AM
#4
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
The original design concept called for 175-350 hp. I've read
through the first four pages about this phase. He is a couple
of years into the project and I still haven't reached the part
where he switches to a V8.
BTW - midway down pg 4, he adds a bit of a roll cage, after
someone sent a email to suggest this.
Facinating to read through the history, consider his thought
processes and design method.
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through the first four pages about this phase. He is a couple
of years into the project and I still haven't reached the part
where he switches to a V8.
BTW - midway down pg 4, he adds a bit of a roll cage, after
someone sent a email to suggest this.
Facinating to read through the history, consider his thought
processes and design method.
.
04-18-2006, 11:12 AM
#5
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Falcon
No sirrrreee, Bob! That's not for me.
That thing is more of a coffin than a car. Look at the short
wheelbase. It would be so twitchy at speed, it'd be almost
uncontrollable.
That thing is more of a coffin than a car. Look at the short
wheelbase. It would be so twitchy at speed, it'd be almost
uncontrollable.
"While on the subject of numbers, I've found that most race cars out
there have wheelbase-to-track ratio of around 1.6, give or take. Mine
is more like 1.25. The theory being that this should favor cornering over
straight-line stability and hopefully result in faster overall lap times at
most venues while keeping top speed reasonable (gearing-limited to 160
mph). If one looks at the percentage of time spent at TOP speed vs
time spent in corners, it seems obvious that a small gain in cornering
speed will offset a fairy large drop in top speed. Shifter karts have an
even lower wb/t ratio and seem to bear this out with lap times similar
to a well-driven Viper on race tires at PIR. 40 hp and 125 mph top
speed matches 500hp and 160 mph top speed."
His car laid over a Radicalthere have wheelbase-to-track ratio of around 1.6, give or take. Mine
is more like 1.25. The theory being that this should favor cornering over
straight-line stability and hopefully result in faster overall lap times at
most venues while keeping top speed reasonable (gearing-limited to 160
mph). If one looks at the percentage of time spent at TOP speed vs
time spent in corners, it seems obvious that a small gain in cornering
speed will offset a fairy large drop in top speed. Shifter karts have an
even lower wb/t ratio and seem to bear this out with lap times similar
to a well-driven Viper on race tires at PIR. 40 hp and 125 mph top
speed matches 500hp and 160 mph top speed."
And a Radical is this small:
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04-18-2006, 12:52 PM
#7
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by Slalom4me
"While on the subject of numbers, I've found that most race cars out
there have wheelbase-to-track ratio of around 1.6, give or take. Mine
is more like 1.25. The theory being that this should favor cornering over
straight-line stability and hopefully result in faster overall lap times at
most venues while keeping top speed reasonable (gearing-limited to 160
mph). If one looks at the percentage of time spent at TOP speed vs
time spent in corners, it seems obvious that a small gain in cornering
speed will offset a fairy large drop in top speed. Shifter karts have an
even lower wb/t ratio and seem to bear this out with lap times similar
to a well-driven Viper on race tires at PIR. 40 hp and 125 mph top
speed matches 500hp and 160 mph top speed."
His car laid over a Radicalthere have wheelbase-to-track ratio of around 1.6, give or take. Mine
is more like 1.25. The theory being that this should favor cornering over
straight-line stability and hopefully result in faster overall lap times at
most venues while keeping top speed reasonable (gearing-limited to 160
mph). If one looks at the percentage of time spent at TOP speed vs
time spent in corners, it seems obvious that a small gain in cornering
speed will offset a fairy large drop in top speed. Shifter karts have an
even lower wb/t ratio and seem to bear this out with lap times similar
to a well-driven Viper on race tires at PIR. 40 hp and 125 mph top
speed matches 500hp and 160 mph top speed."
And a Radical is this small:
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IMHO, although his car might be quicker in the turns, he still has to contend with the straights in a car so short, just the slightest flick of the steering wheel would send it into an uncontrollable spin.
I wish him the best. Hopefully, he knows what he's doing.
04-18-2006, 01:05 PM
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He is one of those quirky people. He has been building that car for a while. Look at the videos of him driving his Scion. I saw him out at the track driving the Scion a few weeks ago and the man can drive.
04-18-2006, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Pursuit_in_Progress
I think I'd rather import an Ariel Atom and be able to drive it on the street if I so desired.
They are building them in Seattle
04-18-2006, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Slalom4me
Yep, my SO wouldn't have any problem with my stuff
in the livingroom. How 'bout your's ?
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in the livingroom. How 'bout your's ?
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vettmike
04-18-2006, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Gump
shifter cart on steroids!
I'd take it for a spin, probably scare myself to death.
I'd take it for a spin, probably scare myself to death.
It would be fun and twitchy!!! Mostly FUN!!
Great site btw and fun reading
04-18-2006, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Pursuit_in_Progress
I think I'd rather import an Ariel Atom and be able to drive it on the street if I so desired.
http://www.arielatom.com/ariel/site.php
04-18-2006, 11:21 PM
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I would also go for the Ariel Atom, if only because I don't see myself being in a position in the next ten years to justify a track-only car. I love the ideas and engineering behind that track car, and really hope that it's production date and my ability to justify converge soon.
04-21-2006, 12:41 PM
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A DSR or CSR classed car would be nice class to get into.
There's only 4 pages in the rulebook!
http://www.leestohr.com/
There's only 4 pages in the rulebook!
http://www.leestohr.com/