Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only.....
04-15-2002, 03:37 PM
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Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only.....
It's gets really annoying here when people ask about alternative product and keep getting the same answers. Zaino Zaino Zaino.
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
04-15-2002, 03:59 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (chuckster)
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
If we had a separate section for Zaino junkies, then how could we properly badmouth all the other products?
04-15-2002, 05:58 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (Jerry Velders)
I 2nd the motion for a second section.....wait a second....THIS ISNT A DEMOCRACY! YOU LIED! oooohhh you will burn for this said devil. :reddevil :reddevil
04-15-2002, 06:30 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (chuckster)
It's gets really annoying here when people ask about alternative product and keep getting the same answers. Zaino Zaino Zaino.
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
Chuck, there are several black cars in my driveway everyday, they are all using Zaino, and these cars look so good I almost want to buy a black car, if it is not working on your car it maybe in the application, you should call Sal and talk to him, maybe he can help you get what your looking for.
04-15-2002, 06:37 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (chuckster)
It's gets really annoying here when people ask about alternative product and keep getting the same answers. Zaino Zaino Zaino.
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
04-15-2002, 07:51 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (hcvone)
It's gets really annoying here when people ask about alternative product and keep getting the same answers. Zaino Zaino Zaino.
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
Chuck, there are several black cars in my driveway everyday, they are all using Zaino, and these cars look so good I almost want to buy a black car, if it is not working on your car it maybe in the application, you should call Sal and talk to him, maybe he can help you get what your looking for.
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
Chuck, there are several black cars in my driveway everyday, they are all using Zaino, and these cars look so good I almost want to buy a black car, if it is not working on your car it maybe in the application, you should call Sal and talk to him, maybe he can help you get what your looking for.
It's a simple look I don't get with Zaino. The shine is there, but not the deep black color. The Black in the sun almost gets washed out to a dark charcoal. Not like someone melted a black crayon on the finish..
If I put the car in the sun after doing a patch of Z2 or Z5 it does not matter... IT's VERY shiny. But not like liquid black. If I use Maguires or even F*rmula 1-1-3. The Black has a dripping black look to it. I am sure it has to do with the oils...
One way to test this is to dip your finger in ArmorAll and rub a little on the paint. See what it does... Too bad the whole car would not come out like this.
I love Zaino on any other color but Black. Black is a very unforgiving color. Especially in the sun. But most Zaino users refuse to see the difference. It's not an imaginary difference. IT's real.
Again I am not comparing for uv protection or long lasting or even ease of use.( Which I consider Zaino VERY easy to use). I want perfect paint.
04-15-2002, 09:46 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (chuckster)
It's gets really annoying here when people ask about alternative product and keep getting the same answers. Zaino Zaino Zaino.
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
Chuck, there are several black cars in my driveway everyday, they are all using Zaino, and these cars look so good I almost want to buy a black car, if it is not working on your car it maybe in the application, you should call Sal and talk to him, maybe he can help you get what your looking for.
Carl, I value your advice. However. I really believe I have the Zaino nack down pat. I know there is not an issue how it's being applied. I always come out with a perfect finish but it's Just the final look I just don't care for.
It's a simple look I don't get with Zaino. The shine is there, but not the deep black color. The Black in the sun almost gets washed out to a dark charcoal. Not like someone melted a black crayon on the finish..
If I put the car in the sun after doing a patch of Z2 or Z5 it does not matter... IT's VERY shiny. But not like liquid black. If I use Maguires or even F*rmula 1-1-3. The Black has a dripping black look to it. I am sure it has to do with the oils...
One way to test this is to dip your finger in ArmorAll and rub a little on the paint. See what it does... Too bad the whole car would not come out like this.
I love Zaino on any other color but Black. Black is a very unforgiving color. Especially in the sun. But most Zaino users refuse to see the difference. It's not an imaginary difference. IT's real.
Again I am not comparing for uv protection or long lasting or even ease of use.( Which I consider Zaino VERY easy to use). I want perfect paint.
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
Chuck, there are several black cars in my driveway everyday, they are all using Zaino, and these cars look so good I almost want to buy a black car, if it is not working on your car it maybe in the application, you should call Sal and talk to him, maybe he can help you get what your looking for.
Carl, I value your advice. However. I really believe I have the Zaino nack down pat. I know there is not an issue how it's being applied. I always come out with a perfect finish but it's Just the final look I just don't care for.
It's a simple look I don't get with Zaino. The shine is there, but not the deep black color. The Black in the sun almost gets washed out to a dark charcoal. Not like someone melted a black crayon on the finish..
If I put the car in the sun after doing a patch of Z2 or Z5 it does not matter... IT's VERY shiny. But not like liquid black. If I use Maguires or even F*rmula 1-1-3. The Black has a dripping black look to it. I am sure it has to do with the oils...
One way to test this is to dip your finger in ArmorAll and rub a little on the paint. See what it does... Too bad the whole car would not come out like this.
I love Zaino on any other color but Black. Black is a very unforgiving color. Especially in the sun. But most Zaino users refuse to see the difference. It's not an imaginary difference. IT's real.
Again I am not comparing for uv protection or long lasting or even ease of use.( Which I consider Zaino VERY easy to use). I want perfect paint.
Chuck, some people just like that dull oily look, you can save yourself money by putting lemon Pledge or your car, and yes I am serious. The thing I do not understand is as I said I see many black cars each week, probably 6-10 Vettes a week, and they look like the paint is still wet when they are sitting in my driveway, but you have to use what you think looks best. ;)
04-17-2002, 12:58 AM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (chuckster)
We dare not use the forbidden "M" word (Meguiar's) here on the Zaino forum. One mention of a competing product line and the Zaino dealers jump to the attack - silicone oils! carnuba wax! dust! What the hell do you care what I use on my car? I have used Meguiar's Medallion for years and our Polo Green does not look "oily" or "dull". You can protect your investment by promoting your product without running down every other product on the market.
04-17-2002, 11:09 AM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (TONYS68L36)
I've tried every other 80 dollar wax on the market . You hear zaino is the best constantly because it is . No matter how much any of us can refuse to admit it , zaino is still the best , not by opinion , but by fact . You can't argue with zaino . It just is THE BEST . :smash: :cheers:
04-17-2002, 11:14 AM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (vic451)
I've tried every other 80 dollar wax on the market . You hear zaino is the best constantly because it is . No matter how much any of us can refuse to admit it , zaino is still the best , not by opinion , but by fact . You can't argue with zaino . It just is THE BEST . :smash: :cheers:
Black is the absorbtion of all colors of the spectrum. Nothing escapes...Except imperfections if not treated properly.
Black cannot be treated like all other colors. Even Navy Blue is NOT the same as Black. Black is an exceptional color and must be treated exceptionally.
04-17-2002, 11:18 AM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (TONYS68L36)
People use what THEY like. If they like it, we like to tell others about it. Kinda like spreading a little good will. I heard about Zaino in the car-care section, also heard about the others. Like anything I read, read and read somemore about All the waxes or synthetics, then I made up my mind to try Zaino on my Black vette. I loved it and tell everyone who complements me on the new car look (I think it looks better than new), what I use. It's there choice to try it or not. So if you don't like Zaino or anything else Don't be a BABY about it and cry foul. Find something YOU like and Brag or tell others about it. Then they could make up their own mind and use what they like. As for me...Zaino
04-17-2002, 12:41 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (chuckster)
It's gets really annoying here when people ask about alternative product and keep getting the same answers. Zaino Zaino Zaino.
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
04-17-2002, 12:57 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (TONYS68L36)
Thanks Tony!! Exactly. I did not come here bashing Zaino. I clearly stated in other posts that I still use it on my Non-Black cars. I was merely looking for an alternative. But Zaino users are highly defensive. Face it guys... Look back at all your replies...They smack more of religious arguments then a stupid car wax. :rolleyes:
It's this type of attitude that annoys people. It's being force fed. Kinda like having a Jehovah Witness knocking on your door on a Saturday afternoon. :D I still love you guys :D.... Zainoholics or not... We are still Vettaholics :seeya
It's this type of attitude that annoys people. It's being force fed. Kinda like having a Jehovah Witness knocking on your door on a Saturday afternoon. :D I still love you guys :D.... Zainoholics or not... We are still Vettaholics :seeya
04-17-2002, 01:02 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (chuckster)
I've got a better idea. Let's just rename the "Car Care" section to the Zaino section. That way people are clear on the subject material and stop whining. :) Serious though chuckster...what's with the chip on your shoulder? I don't go around saying "Meguiar's sucks" and most other folks here don't do that. Heck, even the Z dealers are not pressure-tactic salesfolks. We all just are really impressed with a product that often times generates lots of questions. People aren't familiar with it and it often takes a little bit of time to learn how to use it right (especially on black). That's probably the reasons that it generates so many posts. All you have to do is find the posts that say "Zaino" in the topic and don't click on them. I, and many others, believe that it is probably the best product on the market...but also one of the most unknown. Zaino isn't advertised...it's a word of mouth product. That's what we do here, pass on the product, techniques, and experiences...word of mouth. I consider myself a polishing guru. If you've ever heard from the F-body guys about the Corvette "waxers"...well I'm the basis for that stereotype. Heck, I was even like that when I owned an F-body. I've tried most everything...and none of it compares to this product, especially on a black car. Maybe you got a bad bottle or something...or just have realized what a lot of us find out...black takes more work in general, and this is true for applying Zaino as well. Feel free to email me, pm me or whatever...I'm not paid to endorse Zaino and I'd be happy to give you some advice on using it on a black car, because it really can be tricky. But, bottom line, use what makes you happy...I think that's what most of us do. But don't criticize the rest of us for supporting the product we like...we'll return the same respect, in turn. Let me know if I can help.
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04-17-2002, 05:44 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (Dave95C4)
Lets start a "SHUT THE HELL UP ALL YOU WHINERS "section :jester :lol: :jester :jester :jester
[Modified by vic451, 4:44 PM 4/17/2002]
[Modified by vic451, 4:44 PM 4/17/2002]
04-17-2002, 06:50 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (TONYS68L36)
It's gets really annoying here when people ask about alternative product and keep getting the same answers. Zaino Zaino Zaino.
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
I think the point of the post is that people are coming here to ask questions about different products and all they hear is the "Zaino pitch". Don't get me wrong I've seen the results and I personally think they(Zaino cars) look nice. People have seen all the Zaino posts in this section and have determined that they are going to try something different. So when they come here to ask a question, lets just give them an answer.... :)
I am a Zaino user and it bugs me...
I am not pleased with Zaino on a Black Car. I have done side by side tests on the same paint with Maguires and Z. Maguires is Blacker, Wetter, And Deeper Period.
Don't care how long it lasts. I polish every few weeks anyway.
It is a great product but it can't cure Cancer.
[Modified by chuckster, 1:39 PM 4/15/2002]
I think the point of the post is that people are coming here to ask questions about different products and all they hear is the "Zaino pitch". Don't get me wrong I've seen the results and I personally think they(Zaino cars) look nice. People have seen all the Zaino posts in this section and have determined that they are going to try something different. So when they come here to ask a question, lets just give them an answer.... :)
The people who like Zaino state they like it and therefore are Zaino Zombies in your opinion.
Use whatever product you like but do not attack the people who like Zaino for giving their opinions
[Modified by 67StingRay, 4:54 PM 4/17/2002]
04-17-2002, 07:03 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (duckvett)
We dare not use the forbidden "M" word (Meguiar's) here on the Zaino forum. One mention of a competing product line and the Zaino dealers jump to the attack - silicone oils! carnuba wax! dust! What the hell do you care what I use on my car? I have used Meguiar's Medallion for years and our Polo Green does not look "oily" or "dull". You can protect your investment by promoting your product without running down every other product on the market.
04-17-2002, 07:13 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (hcvone)
I had a great PM chat with chuckster earlier today. I think what he was getting at is the fact that Zaino doesn't produce the same slick look that the waxes with silicone oils do. I totally understand that frustration because one of my roommates is the exact same way. Honestly, if he could put tire gloss on his paint...he would! At any rate, I suggested that maybe chuckster keep on using Zaino as a protective base coat, but use Meguiar's Pro #7 on top of it in order to facilitate the gloss he's looking for. That's the same thing my roommate does before a car audio show. After the show, he uses the Zaino wash to get all the #7 off. Now, I realize the yellow from the carnauba still gets on the paint...but #7 isn't nearly as 'yellow' as the regular Meguiar's wax or the Pro #26. That way, you get the protection and shine of Zaino with the extra-glossy silicone coating. I think it's a preferential thing, as I prefer the "new-paint" look that simply Zaino provides...just as I like 'black' tires, not 'glossy' tires. I think chuckster wanted some alternative advice, rather than just the "zaino zaino zaino!!!" that I know I often get stuck in. Hopefully this will work for him and I enjoyed the conversation with him earlier. I just didn't want people to get the wrong impression for the post here.
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04-17-2002, 07:14 PM
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Re: Moderators...Why not have a Zaino Section Only..... (chuckster)
I think the idea that members think Zaino needs its own section is testament to its success :)
Black is unforgiving and we all have different tastes to what we want our cars to look like, but I'd expect the most popular polish/wax products are going to dominate the car care sections.
Black is unforgiving and we all have different tastes to what we want our cars to look like, but I'd expect the most popular polish/wax products are going to dominate the car care sections.