Well, I was thinking the other day. Don't get me wrong on this post, because I will continue to use the product as well as Zaino. But in all the posts, the Zaino distributors have been saying that the Z-7 contains UV blockers and polish. Well, if you need Z-1 or ZFX for the polish the stick, then why the heck does Z-7 have polish in it???
Also, why is it that right after I wash my car, it isnt NEAR as smooth as when I just waxed it, and it doesnt get as slick untill I Z-6 it???
Just a few unaswered questions I have always wondered about.
Re: Z-7 question. I don't think it works as said!!! (Andy1983)
Z-7 contains a small amount of Z-2 and Z-2's optical enhancers to keep the finish bright, it does not contain A LOT of Z-2 as that would make the soap just unuseable. Z-1 and ZFX makes the polish layer bond to paint itself.
The finish is always going to be slicker after use of Z-6, this is just what using a detailer spray (of ANY brand name) does for you.
The Zaino distributors do not make the product, we only have very good product knowledge (taught to use by Sal) this is why we know it has UV blockers and so forth.
Re: Z-7 question. I don't think it works as said!!! (Andy1983)
Many car washes from different manufacturers have "wax" in them, like Zip Wash, it adds "some" protection as well as "some" gloss while washing, your car will never be as slick after washing as it is after polishing/waxing your car. I have several cistomers that do not polish/wax their cars and they purchase Z-7 Car Wash from me because they like how it works, I think Z-7 is one of the best if not the best products that Zaino makes. :)
Re: Z-7 question. I don't think it works as said!!! (KLO)
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Z-7 contains a small amount of Z-2 and Z-2's optical enhancers to keep the finish bright, it does not contain A LOT of Z-2 as that would make the soap just unuseable. Z-1 and ZFX makes the polish layer bond to paint itself.
So then the Z-2 in Z-7 does not bond w/ the paint if I am a ZFX user only. But on the other hand, if I am a Z-1 user, it WILL bond to the paint?
(Did I find the only, and miniscule flaw to ZFX :lol: )
Re: Z-7 question. I don't think it works as said!!! (KLO)
I use z-7 and love it, however I've got probably 8 coats of z2 now and I can't really get anything to stick to the car, the soap just bunches up and slides off before I can really wash with it!!!!!
:D :D
Re: Z-7 question. I don't think it works as said!!! (Andy1983)
No, you are confused......
Z1 bonds Z2 to the paint. ZFX is an accelerator that allows an instant crosslinking polymer cure so that there is no waiting time between coats. Z7 wash is separate. It does contain some Z2 to replenish your zaino layers a bit with each wash. I hardly notice any loss of slickness after washings and sometimes the gloss seems to improve. Compare washing with Z7 as just adding a layer of Z2 with no z1 or ZFX. It doesn't add a complete layer of polish but rejuvinates it a bit. Also don't confuse slickness with smoothness. If you have embedded contanimnats in your paint because you didn't prep properly or clay, I don't care how many layers of anything you have on, it will be slick but not smooth.......
Re: Z-7 question. I don't think it works as said!!! (Bill97Z)
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No, you are confused...... No... I am not confused.
Z1 bonds Z2 to the paint. ZFX is an accelerator that allows an instant crosslinking polymer cure so that there is no waiting time between coats. I know that Z1 bonds Z2 to the paint, and that ZFX bonds Z2 to the paint, and is also a drying accelerator
Z7 wash is separate. It does contain some Z2 to replenish your zaino layers a bit with each wash. How can it replish something that is "bonded" to my paint?
I hardly notice any loss of slickness after washings and sometimes the gloss seems to improve. It does lose a little slickness, just like the other distributors have said already (that it isnt as good as a just zainoed car)
Compare washing with Z7 as just adding a layer of Z2 with no z1 or ZFX. It doesn't add a complete layer of polish but rejuvinates it a bit. Like I said before, how can it rejuvinate bonded polish?
Also don't confuse slickness with smoothness. If you have embedded contanimnats in your paint because you didn't prep properly or clay, I don't care how many layers of anything you have on, it will be slick but not smooth....... I gaurantee you that my paint is flawless. I have absolutely 0 swirl marks, and not one rock chip on the entire car. It has been garaged all its life, and has 8,000 miles on it (and it is a 96). I promise you that it is perfect, and I did clay it. I said smooth, but meant slick, which my car is both.
Re: Z-7 question. I don't think it works as said!!! (Andy1983)
Andy, take it easy my friend. :) He was just trying to offer a helping hand.
How does it bond to a bonded layer? The suspended Z-2 polymers are supposed to bond cationically (or is it anionically?) to your already existing coats of Zaino and it works completely independently of whatever Z-1 or ZFX is on your car. Those suspended polymers will eventually crosslink with an existing, already bonded, layer of Zaino.
Of course, the suspended polymers and UV inhibitor agents in Z-7 are quite small and most will just get washed right off, but they are definitely there as the shine on my Zaino coats seems to improve with each wash. I understand what you are saying about slickness though because I don't notice an increase in slickness. If anything, there is a slight decline, but the shine does seem to improve.
Z-6 does an awesome job in rejuvenating the slickness though. It works like NO other QD I've tried...and I've tried a bunch.
Please, no flames if you are unhappy with my explanation as well. :)
Re: Z-7 question. I don't think it works as said!!! (Intermezzo)
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Andy, take it easy my friend. :) He was just trying to offer a helping hand.
Please, no flames if you are unhappy with my explanation as well. :)
Wasn't intending to flame anyone... sorry if it sounded like that :(
And I couldn't ever flame you even if I wanted to Intermezzo... you use words that I didnt even know existed when you talk. So I wouldnt even know if I was right or not. :lol:
Re: Z-7 question. I don't think it works as said!!! (Andy1983)
heres what i have to say..
:D hehe
the Z-7 WORKS..and DOES add protection. i forgot where my picture is...but i KNOW that the soap will add a LITTLE more z-2 to the surface of your car. it may not be much.. but it does in small increments. if you wash your car everyday with the right amount of z-7 in your car wash water.. you will basically not need to add any polish on top of the car. there will be a layer of protection from the soap. :cool:
as for the z-1 debate...thing.. z-2 can be used on your car without EVER using z-1 or ZFX... same with z-5 and z-3. its just that Z-1 will help it bond BETTER... and the zfx will help it dry FASTEr and bond FASTER. but it no way do you NEED z-1 to polish your car with zaino.
i cannot find my picture proof. i left my z-7 sponge on the top of my trash can. after a while.. the SPOT that i left my sponge on started beading water on it when it rained. the rest of the trash can lid just absorbed the water..or it just lay there (like a car surface with no protection) i wish i could find it
but if you have any further questions..feel free to contact me. i'm available to help yall out with car care :)
Re: Z-7 question. I don't think it works as said!!! (Andy1983)
Andy, here's a post I just read from another forum written by a concours detailer who has won a few National Jaguar Concours events. I thought it was very interesting.....
"THE VALUE OF Z-6 & Z-7:"
"The question has come up lately on what difference it makes to QD with Z6 after every wash and what difference it makes to use Z7 with every wash. Here are my findings:
I must admit that I am not a big shampoo user. (No body odor jokes, guys!) Many shampoos are harsh. For my cars, which are usually meticulously clean most of the time, even through the winter, to shampoo weekly is over kill and rough on the wax finish. A weekly shampoo of my Carnuba covered cars would just strip the wax. I usually shampoo every two or three weeks.
As a test I chose two of my cars which have a Zaino finish. Car One, I chose to shampoo weekly with Z7. I QD'd with Z6 the front of the car afterwords. The rear of the car I left alone. I usually QD the whole car during the week as maintainence. Car Two I washed with water and did a whole car QD as maintenence during the week.
After 3 months the results of my un-scientific visual test were inconclusive. Both cars still looked great. The front and back of Car One look the same. The feel test was another story. There was a noticable difference between the two cars. Car One was much smoother and more slippery feeling. It makes sense, right. It had more QD on it. But, even the REAR of Car One felt better than Car Two. Remember, this was the half without the extra QD but did have the Z7 shampoo used on it. This proves to me that the shampoo is doing it's job and is improving the finish on the car. It made it smoother and slicker. Even my wife, who thinks all this silliness is going to my head, was impressed with the difference.
So, I guess the moral of the story is, for me anyway, that Z7 wash and QD afterwords really does work and I will stick with it!"
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