System One X3: Incredible ability to work on hot paint under sun
I knew that System One X3 works great under sun as I often use it because of that ability, I rent so I don't have garage to work in nor much of a shade, and I live in Southern California.
But I never knew it's full potential until I saw video below. Guy is detailing black car whose paint's temperature is 155 degrees in full sun as if it is nothing! I can not see any signs of dust nor gumming up (at least not visible ones) even when I watch in high resolution! Check it out, it is incredible, it seems like a God send to us tree shade detailers:
While the play time is absolutely impressive and the fact that product is working well on that surface tempature is impressive, the results (and visible hologramming) is about the same poor results I have experienced as well.
To the right of the door is visible hologramming in the paint, and most people (top pro's such as Totoland Mach) have noticed the same. Taking any final polish and a wool pad will absolutely restore the darkness to the paint, so I can only judge the results on the hologramming left behind by their top pro, and the resulting hologramming that other top pro's get.
I have polished many cars in the sun with Menzerna polishes and have had great results as well.
It is very easy to mistake wet polish that needs to be wiped off for holograms as pictures/videos do not provide depth. You can see same on many Paul Dalton's pictures/videos.
You as experienced professional should know that, right?
But, let's pretend you are correct and these are holograms. Does that have anything to do with System One's ability to work on hot paint in full sun? No. Does it take away from it? No. Let's pretend we can change person that was doing polishing and that it was you instead of him while polish remained same. Would holograms be instilled by you too? Yes or no?
So, anything you can say on the actual subject or your motivation is something else?
I knew that System One X3 works great under sun as I often use it because of that ability, I rent so I don't have garage to work in nor much of a shade, and I live in Southern California.
But I never knew it's full potential until I saw video below. Guy is detailing black car whose paint's temperature is 155 degrees in full sun as if it is nothing! I can not see any signs of dust nor gumming up (at least not visible ones) even when I watch in high resolution! Check it out, it is incredible, it seems like a God send to us tree shade detailers:
I took a shot and bought a gallon about 5 months ago. Don't care what anyone says this stuff has worked GREAT! It's done the best job on my vette of any single product. BTW.. because I can work in the direct sunlight I can see everything that needs correction...... I generally use it with my RB and not the ORB..... It's great stuff and well worth the money I paid! At least to me and that's what counts...
Interesting product! I looked on AutoGeek to learn more about it. It describes it as acting like three different products; compound, swirl remover and finishing polish. What process do you guys use when applying it? Do you use 3 different pads and take 3 passes at the finish? Do you also use their sealant to protect the finish when your done? Thanks for sharing.
It is very easy to mistake wet polish that needs to be wiped off for holograms as pictures/videos do not provide depth. You can see same on many Paul Dalton's pictures/videos.
You as experienced professional should know that, right?
But, let's pretend you are correct and these are holograms. Does that have anything to do with System One's ability to work on hot paint in full sun? No. Does it take away from it? No. Let's pretend we can change person that was doing polishing and that it was you instead of him while polish remained same. Would holograms be instilled by you too? Yes or no?
So, anything you can say on the actual subject or your motivation is something else?
I see the holograms after he wipes the polish off. No mistaking it at all.
If there are holograms right after the polish is wiped away, then I can only imagine how it would look after an IPA wipedown.
I have polished a black AMG S65 in the direct sun with SIP/orange CCS pad. A little chatter from the pad but I was also getting that in the areas not in the direct sun. I followed with ultrafina with a blue 3M foam pad, no issues as at, smooth as silk and no holograms even after an IPA wipedown.
I did not polish this black porsche in the direct sun, but after working SIP/green CCS for 2-3 mins per section the surface looks very nice:
Now the surface appears to be 100% hologram free, but a single wipedown with IPA/water revealed slight holograms. Nothing that ultrafina or P085 can't take care of.
So my point is that if you have holograms before a IPA wipedown, who knows what else would be left after the wipedown.
When not properly worked just about any product will fill, so as a detailer you need to properly work each level of polishing. Followed by wipedowns.
I see the holograms after he wipes the polish off. No mistaking it at all.
If there are holograms right after the polish is wiped away, then I can only imagine how it would look after an IPA wipedown.
Yeah, they're there........
The area was not worked very long after using wool so, that's to be expected.......For guys that absolutely have to work on paint that hot I guess this stuff is an option but, I suspect that those times are far and few between.....
Man, you detailing pros are rough. I thought the OP's original post was about the ability of the product to be used directly in hot sunlight, rather than the abilities of the dude appying it. Many products say to apply out of direct sunlight. This is yet another good product to know about, especially if your in one of the year 'round sunshine type states.
Interesting product! I looked on AutoGeek to learn more about it. It describes it as acting like three different products; compound, swirl remover and finishing polish. What process do you guys use when applying it? Do you use 3 different pads and take 3 passes at the finish? Do you also use their sealant to protect the finish when your done? Thanks for sharing.
If I'm looking for a lot of correction I use an orange pad... if less is needed I simply step it down in which pad I use. Here's a pic before and after using it.... I believe the product works exactly as advertised. It claims to offer protection from burns through using an RB. All I can say is I'm no professional detailer (like many here) but I haven't had any problems with my RB... The MAIN reason I bought the product was because of their claim that it prevented burning which was a huge concern to me. Well it worked as claimed.. at least for me. The bottom line for any product is does it work? Not being a professional I can only speak for doing my own cars. I had the same results as these pictures with my wife's G35 and my 4Runner. So yep... Im happy with the stuff. Don't know about all the hologram stuff because I probably don't even know exactly what to look for.... If it looks good to me is all I really care about.........
I took a shot and bought a gallon about 5 months ago. Don't care what anyone says this stuff has worked GREAT!
I like guys like you that are not followers but use their own brain and their own eyes As always proof is in the pudding regardless of what small time Internet haters hate on.
For guys that absolutely have to work on paint that hot I guess this stuff is an option but, I suspect that those times are far and few between.....
Actually, those times are more often than you think, it is almost all the time.
It does not take much time for black car to reach such temperatures. You can easily check it. Also, there is an interesting thread on MOL where Mike Phillips went out and measured temperature of paint on cars of different colors that have been outside while owners were in the class. It opens your eyes.
Further more, even when I work under canopy sun always hits side or corner of the car changing position on the sky as time passes by while I am working on other areas. By the time I reach areas it has been hitting those areas are hot and many polish will simply not work.
Also, what I am supposed to do when friend wants to come over for me to polish his car and he is going to be on the freeway half an hour to an hour to get to my place? Tell him "Now wait few hours while your car is cooling down before we can even start to work"? Yeah, right.
Product that lets you work in such situations is a God send to everybody that does not have luxury of huge covered space or sometimes can not work in one, which is quite a number of us.
I think wisest thing one could do is get a sample (it costs very little) and see it for him/herself, just like cthusker did. Then person might find out they should not always listen to Internet contributors as there might be lots of personal agendas at play behind the scenes that would have deprived them of great product if they just listened to the surface instead of getting hands on experience for themselves.
Man, you detailing pros are rough. I thought the OP's original post was about the ability of the product to be used directly in hot sunlight, rather than the abilities of the dude appying it.
... and it is Others have different motivations though
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Originally Posted by daddoe
Many products say to apply out of direct sunlight. This is yet another good product to know about, especially if your in one of the year 'round sunshine type states.
Bingo! Plus few hours under the sun will make paint hot enough even in milder climates / on milder days, so I think it is of interest to everybody.
Alright, you are much better at paint correction than he is, that case is closed.
That has nothing to do with product and it is product we are discussing.
Now, onto actual subject of this thread: Is System One working great on scorching hot paint under full sun or what?
If the product is leaving holograms without an IPA wipedown then its not working. Sun or shade, a product that does this is no help.
Nobody's detailing skills or a lack of is coming into question here.
Its the quality of the product that is in question.
What polishing products have you used in the direct sun that just did not work?
Fellow detailers that I rely on for product testing have polished hundreds of cars in the past few years. These guys go to insane extremes when testing products, thats why they are the best at what they do. I am just happy that when something is kicking my butt, I can call them. 9 times out of 10, they have a solution.
The only agenda I share with my fellow detailers is to strive for perfection and what products will get me there.
Fellow detailers that I rely on for product testing have polished hundreds of cars in the past few years. These guys go to insane extremes when testing products, thats why they are the best at what they do. I am just happy that when something is kicking my butt, I can call them. 9 times out of 10, they have a solution.
The only agenda I share with my fellow detailers is to strive for perfection and what products will get me there.
Now this is a subject that could develop into discussion that would not be pleasant neither for you nor your "fellow detailers" that keep getting banned from professional sites for a conduct that is unbecoming of a professional so I will not go there as it would derail this thread whose purpose is to help people, not achieve personal goals like some are trying to do.
Instead I will invite people that do not have any motivations to try it and see it for themselves.
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Originally Posted by gmblack3
If the product is leaving holograms without an IPA wipedown then its not working. Sun or shade, a product that does this is no help.
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Its the quality of the product that is in question.
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What polishing products have you used in the direct sun that just did not work?
What are you saying, that it's the polishes that are culprit of holograms? We all know that is not correct.
Now please point to me which products you and your fellow detailers used successfully on 155 degree paint straight out of the bottle? Please name them.
If the product is leaving holograms without an IPA wipedown then its not working. Sun or shade, a product that does this is no help.
Nobody's detailing skills or a lack of is coming into question here.
Its the quality of the product that is in question.
What polishing products have you used in the direct sun that just did not work?
Fellow detailers that I rely on for product testing have polished hundreds of cars in the past few years. These guys go to insane extremes when testing products, thats why they are the best at what they do. I am just happy that when something is kicking my butt, I can call them. 9 times out of 10, they have a solution.
The only agenda I share with my fellow detailers is to strive for perfection and what products will get me there.
+1
The product claims to be able to cut out to 1200 (maybe 800?) grit sanding marks and finish out swirl free. I consider holograms to be swirls (or atleast marring).
For what it is and what it does, it is good. Is it the best? Hardly, IMO. However if it doesn't do what it says... and doesn't produce a hologram free finish for many of detailers I have spoken too (including Totoland Mach).
Maybe the thread title should be...
"Look at how well System One doesn't work (in general) in the sun"?
Now this is a subject that could develop into discussion that would not be pleasant neither for you nor your "fellow detailers" that keep getting banned from professional sites for a conduct that is unbecoming of a professional so I will not go there as it would derail this thread whose purpose is to help people, not achieve personal goals like some are trying to do.
I don't see how this statement makes sense. The product doesn't finish well (or other products finish better) as evidenced by the video that you posted. If you are asking me what polishes do not finish well in the direct sun, then Menzerna SIP. I have used it on black in the direct sunlight and it finishs out with holograms similar to X3, but with more cut.
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What are you saying, that it's the polishes that are culprit of holograms? We all know that is not correct.
I don't know who "we" is, but I believe (a dangerous thing)hologramming is caused by a variety of factors that can include the polish. Since every detailer I have spoken to (including those whose opinion you have stated you value) say they get faint hologramming when used per directions.
Also I have seen pictures (you can believe this if you want or not) of a Mercedes Benz SLK that had hologramming after Mr. Horvath finished it. Now pictures lie, but the words of the (now) four people who tell me this should not be taken lightly. It seems even the owner leaves minor trails in the paint.
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Now please point to me which products you and your fellow detailers used successfully on 155 degree paint straight out of the bottle? Please name them.
Now I am not in the habit of reading tempatures but these where dark colored cars where the paint was "burning" to the touch. I would imagine that the direct sunlight in Florida is as good as anywhere, though admit this is an assumption.
Menzerna 106ff-worked great
Menzerna 106fa-worked great
Menzerna PO85rd-got a little gummy once the pad became too loaded
Optimum Polish-simply amazing in direct light
3M UltraFina- worked "okay", was a little hard to spread but once the RPM where increased and the product spread, it worked good... Still produced very nice results and still very easy to remove (though a bear if left to sit too long)
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System One X3: Incredible ability to work on hot paint under sun
