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Old 12-23-2007, 09:51 AM   #1
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I have a hard time getting a deep, highly reflective shine on my Torch Red Vette. So far the best I have tried is NXT, but I want better. This seems to be a difficult color. The paint is fine and clean, only a few years old. Who has this color and what are you using to get that deep, wet, reflective shine?
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Old 12-23-2007, 09:55 AM   #2
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Reflective shines are best reproduced by paint sealants like our DP Shield Shine, Four Star UPP, and even Poorboys Pure Sealant. Most are easy to use and pure protectants with no cleaners meaning you need to properly prep the finish first.

We do also offer our Pinnacle Souveran Paste wax alone and in kit form. This wax was designed for reds, blacks, and yellows that are already pretty reflective but additional wetness and depth is needed.

Try a couple and find what you like best, also note Megs recently updated your NXT the new product is just hitting store shelves and called NXT2.0.
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Old 12-23-2007, 10:10 AM   #3
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It's red, sorry, nothing will make it look good.
Zaino.
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Old 12-23-2007, 10:17 AM   #4
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Zaino Clear Sealant followed by Z8 Grand Finale will bring your paint shine to the next level. Looks fantastic on red
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Reflective shines are best reproduced by paint sealants like our DP Shield Shine, Four Star UPP, and even Poorboys Pure Sealant. Most are easy to use and pure protectants with no cleaners meaning you need to properly prep the finish first.

We do also offer our Pinnacle Souveran Paste wax alone and in kit form. This wax was designed for reds, blacks, and yellows that are already pretty reflective but additional wetness and depth is needed.

Try a couple and find what you like best, also note Megs recently updated your NXT the new product is just hitting store shelves and called NXT2.0.
does AG have nxt v2.0 yet?
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Old 12-23-2007, 10:32 AM   #6
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I have a hard time getting a deep, highly reflective shine on my Torch Red Vette. So far the best I have tried is NXT, but I want better. This seems to be a difficult color. The paint is fine and clean, only a few years old. Who has this color and what are you using to get that deep, wet, reflective shine?
Have you prep'd the paint really well ? Clay bar, light abrasive product then your LSP (Wax/sealant) ? It's all in the prep work.

If you're looking for a deep, wet reflective shine you might want to check out a sealant like Zaino.
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does AG have nxt v2.0 yet?
we expect it and #20 2.0 (professional version) shortly ..
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Old 12-23-2007, 10:46 AM   #8
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I would suggest you also give the Adams full line of products a look. Check out their web site, I really like their products, and customer service. All the others mentioned in response to your question are good as well, good luck.
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I use RejeX on my '04 Torch Red coupe. It looks great.
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I have a Torch Red Avanti and use Griot's Best of Show Wax....makes the car look like it's been dipped in lucite with a foot deep finish.

Use it according to the directions...a very little goes a long way.
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Old 12-23-2007, 02:02 PM   #11
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Here are two Ferrari's I detailed, identical model (360 Spider) and color (Rosso Corsa/ red). Both are prepped identical prior to LSP application).

The first has Souveran over Jeff Werkstatt (1 coat of JW Prime, 1 coat of JW AJ, 1 coat of Pinnacle Souveran).

The second has 2 of Zaino Z5pro, 1 coat of Z2pro, CS, and Z8).

Both look amazing, but I know for a fact with the Zaino, the second Ferrari will hold its look for a VERY long time. In comparsion, the Souveran Ferrari will loose its look quicker in comparison (thoug the JW should hold the gloss for a long time).

Its up to you to decide which looks better..

Werkstatt + Souveran



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Old 12-23-2007, 02:03 PM   #12
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Also, the looks where "different" but not nearly as dramatic as shown in the pictures (I just realized this looking at them next to each other. The lighting conditions of each particular photo really over emphasizes the different characteristics each has).
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Old 12-23-2007, 02:27 PM   #13
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I have a hard time getting a deep, highly reflective shine on my Torch Red Vette. So far the best I have tried is NXT, but I want better. This seems to be a difficult color. The paint is fine and clean, only a few years old. Who has this color and what are you using to get that deep, wet, reflective shine?
If you are using Meg's NXT and not getting the shine you want, I would look at the prep work on the paint. The reason I state this is because Meg's has a great look (though you may find different ones fit your prefereance more, nothing is going to be dramatically better). To top this Meg's has good fillers and light cleaners, so for an all in one look, its hard to top. The down side is that the product doesn't have much durability.

If you are unhappy with the look after a couple coats of NXT, then its time to worry more about the prep work under the LSP. Is the paint swirled, could it be lightly oxidized. Basically (and you might need professional, high quality detailer to help you analize this) you need to find out why isn't the paint glossy and shiney and what steps need to be taken to remedy it.

95 percent of the look doesn't come from the wax/sealant, but rather the paint. A car as aged as your would still look amazing with healthy paint. Wax is nothing more than icing on the cake.

To hammer this one home a little, here is the orginal hood of a 1976 Countach wearing original paint. The paint has been washed, clayed, and decontaminated.

Terrible right, remembering that it is 30 years old!!!!


After measuring the thin lacquer, I was able to diagnose the problems and correct them. To increase the drama of the shot, I taped one half of the hood off. Remember that the corrected side does not have any wax or oil on it. After polishing, I wiped corrected side with body shop Prep Sol, so you are looking at orginal, 30 year old paint on both sides.



And here is the entire hood after being completed (but still with out wax or sealant, its bare paint).



So while your paint not be as bad as the Lambo above (which was pretty rough) even minor damage/defects/oxidation can dull the paint enough for you to notice that its "not" right.

I know you mentioned that the paint was not old, but honestly it only takes a few careless washes to severally damage paint, and many body shops also "ruin" their own paint jobs before they ever get out the door.
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Excellent examples of paint correction before a LSP TH0001......
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Old 12-23-2007, 04:40 PM   #15
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Excellent examples of paint correction before a LSP TH0001......


Outstanding examples of paint correction. I've seen TH0001's work in person, he really is good at what he does.

I hope he smacked the owner of that car for allowing it to get to that point.
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Old 12-23-2007, 06:57 PM   #16
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I don't think my black C6's hood looks that good after only 1 year.
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Old 12-23-2007, 09:04 PM   #17
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As always, you are 100% correct Todd (TH0001). I agree on all counts.

Zaino definitely gets my vote.
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Old 12-23-2007, 09:06 PM   #18
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[quote=TH0001;1563291002]Here are two Ferrari's I detailed, identical model (360 Spider) and color (Rosso Corsa/ red). Both are prepped identical prior to LSP application).

The first has Souveran over Jeff Werkstatt (1 coat of JW Prime, 1 coat of JW AJ, 1 coat of Pinnacle Souveran).

The second has 2 of Zaino Z5pro, 1 coat of Z2pro, CS, and Z8).

Both look amazing, but I know for a fact with the Zaino, the second Ferrari will hold its look for a VERY long time. In comparsion, the Souveran Ferrari will loose its look quicker in comparison (thoug the JW should hold the gloss for a long time).

Its up to you to decide which looks better..


I use the Werkstatt line and find it to be very durable. in your comparison how much time was involved using the two different treatments? did the three step JW/PS take less time than the 5 layer/step Zanio? I have not used z so I'm trying to get an idea of application time/effort. (I have some specific Z questions but will start a different thread)

Thanks
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Old 12-24-2007, 11:09 AM   #19
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I have used Adams only on my Torch Red 01 here area few shots.




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Adams for me.


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