Best of both worlds - Shine and durability - ?

[webdzynes]

Zaino = very good shine & Great durability P21S = Good durability & great shine Question: Could you apply a few coats of Zaino every 4 months and in the meantime, every other day or week, apply P21S? If it only lasts a few weeks, then it would seem we all could have the best of both worlds?

[KLO]

Zaino = very good shine & Great durability
P21S = Good durability & great shine

Question: Could you apply a few coats of Zaino every 4 months and in the meantime, every other day or week, apply P21S? If it only lasts a few weeks, then it would seem we all could have the best of both worlds?

Nope, Sal Zaino does not recommend mixing his synthetic product with an carnauba and oil product.

[GShyneDM]

nope :(

its not good.. you'll end up with a lot of scratches and oil streaks

i tried it once with putting meguiars on top of zaino :nono: never again :)

[hcvone]

P21S has a great shine, but will only last for a few weeks like all carnauba products, as said above do not mix synthetics and carnauba's, it can make a mess. :)

[rubyred93]

I happen to mix a synthetic (Klasse) and a carnauba (Pinnacle Souveran) with excellent results.

The Klasse provides gloss and reflectivity, while the carnauba adds depth and warmth to the finish.

I experience absolutely no scratching or streaking with this routine, and it is commonly practiced by many people that I know who are looking for the type of results that this combination provides.

[Pooch]

I happen to mix a synthetic (Klasse) and a carnauba (Pinnacle Souveran) with excellent results.

Ditto. I have many coats of Zaino but decided to wax. Much better shine and no mess. I don't care about durability because I do this every couple of weeks. I still use the Zaino every few months.

[Stingray1967]

Why would you want to add something else other than Zaino to your car? I get great shine and durability out of Zaino. :seeya

[rubyred93]

Why would you want to add something else other than Zaino to your car? I get great shine and durability out of Zaino. :seeya

To answer your question, a carnauba "topper" as it is often referred to, is typically added to a polymer in order to give the paint depth and warmth.

You are correct in that a polymer (such as Klasse or Zaino) provides great shine and durability, no one bickers over that point, however, the polymers are known for lacking depth and warmth - something that is more evident on a darker finish.

So, imparting depth to the finish is why some choose to add a carnauba on top of a polymer.

[KLO]

Why would you want to add something else other than Zaino to your car? I get great shine and durability out of Zaino. :seeya

To answer your question, a carnauba "topper" as it is often referred to, is typically added to a polymer in order to give the paint depth and warmth.

You are correct in that a polymer (such as Klasse) provides great shine and durability, no one bickers over that point, however, the polymers are known for lacking depth and warmth - something that is more evident on a darker finish.

So, imparting depth to the finish is why some choose to add a carnauba on top of a polymer.

rubyred93, that may be true with the product you use, but Zaino does not require any product under it or over it, as a matter of fact if you do put some other kind of wax on top of Zaino, you just defeated about 20 years worth of work Sal has done. If you do put wax on top of Zaino, you will have to re-wash the vehicle with Dawn to remove the oils before you put on another coat of Zaino. Also, since most carnauba waxes contain oils, solvents, and abrasives these will remove the Zaino that is present on the finish anyway.




[Modified by KLO, 6:08 PM 11/19/2001]

[rubyred93]

:rolleyes:

[Zaino Bros (Sal)]

Please do not put any Carnauba Wax based product on top of Zaino.:(

Glazes and just about every Wax on the market are loaded with silicone oil and other oils. So in actuality all you are doing is putting a coating of oil on your paint finish. Silicone Oil is great for producing an instant high gloss shine and also temporarily hiding swirls marks and fine scratches...:( But they are still there.... However, oil has no durability and it attracts dust and dirt like a magnet. Once dust settles on it, it sticks to it. Dust on paint causes more tiny Swirls and Scratches. Also Silicone oil can permeate Zaino and decrease the durability and gloss factor of Zaino...

If I wanted Zaino to have a muted look, like Wax, I would have made a Wax based product...:( I am very capable of manufacturing a Carnauba wax... Carnauba Wax is very easy and inexpensive to make... Regardless of what wax manufacturers would lead you to believe...... I don't make a wax because I want paint to look like paint. Remember, I am a custom painter by trade for over thirty years...:) I know what paint is suppose to look like when it comes out of the paint booth... Zaino gives a crystal clear, optically enhanced finish to mimic fresh custom paint... Paint does not have an oil look...

Zaino Show Car Polish is 99.9% optically perfect. Zaino Show Car polish contain no waxes, abrasives, high solvents, oils or silicones.

Sorry for being so anal but I only want the best for you guys... I hope this explains why you should not put anything on top of Zaino except Zaino. That would defeat the whole purpose of my product.

Hope this helps..:)

[Cherry]

Sal,
People want to know more about what Zaino really is.
There is a lot of talk about what it isn't but never what it is.
Zaino is a synthetic product, correct? Please explain this.
Is that why nothing else will work with it? Would another syn. product work with it?
Wht do car companies say to stay away from synthetics on finishes?
Is that why you need oven cleaner to remove your product?
I'm not flaming, please answer this.
I use your product and will continue but on the same note we want to know what we're putting on our Corvettes rather thans just taking someone elses word for it, lets hear it from you.
Thank You. :confused:

[MHLY01]

Zaino is great and I love it. Alot of show car people do put a real carnuba wax over the polymer. It gives it unbelievable depth and clarity with shine. You have to be careful when you do this though as mentioned above.

Sal, is the ZFX out yet?

[Zaino Bros (Sal)]

The paint on late model Corvettes is a polymeric system...:)

Zaino is a complex synthetic "polymeric system". For our purposes here
in layman terms, these polymers are lab produced hydrocarbon based
string like molecules which are capable of crosslinking or bonding
together to produce a (microscopic) flexible chain-link fence type of
weave. When applied to your car's clear coat, the Zaino polymers
produce a perfectly clear yet flexible layer of protection..:)

This layer is very thin, but (because it is flexible) can expand and
contract along with your
car's sheet metal or in the corvette's case, SMC or other fiberglass
composites and paint layers. It's also very
tough and will out last most wax based products by at least 4 to 1.

Any and all Carnauba or other wax based products when exposed to
repeated expansion and contraction (ie: heat of the
day and engine heat) will develop tiny 'cracks' which grow, allowing the
oils to leach out, and permit dirt
to stick to the surface. This cycling effect also makes the wax system
become unstable, decreasing gloss, water beading and paint protection..
:( This will not happen with the Zaino polymers...

Hope this helps..;)

[BigGar]

No slam intended here, and I understand the theraputec effect of laying a nice coat of wax, Zaino, or whatever on your fine automobile. But if Zaino "lasts" so long, and is so durable, why coat after coat after coat? Durability to me means a continued great shine, resisting pollutants and spiderwebbing scratches, and not going away after a few washes. Any decent and non-abrasive modern automobile "wax" will easily accomplish these tasks if you do it 5-10-20-40-100 times a year. If this product is so incredibly durable, then it should perform flawlessly and to total satisfaction if it's applied only 4-6 times per year at most. Am I right or wrong here? Will Zaino be just as great for someone who only does it once in awhile? Even only once or twice per year?
Gar

[Zaino Bros (Sal)]

BigGar,

No slam taken... But if you spent a few minutes reading my website and this forum you would fully understand....

One coat of Zaino will last 6 months or longer.... and for the average guy that would be fine..

Zaino is truly capable of layering so Multiple coats will make your paint deeper, richer and wetter....:) and for the car enthusiast that is the hot ticket..:)

And to answer your original question, Yes Zaino is incredibly durable...;) :yesnod:





[Modified by Zaino Bros (Sal), 7:21 AM 11/26/2001]

[hcvone]

Gar, I have multi coats of Zaino on my Vette, but on my M5 or my Grand Cherokee these cars see 2-3 coats a year, both of these cars get driven daily by myself and or my fiancee, most of my customer's only apply 2 coats a year of Zaino to their cars that are driven daily. I was in the detail business for many years, I believe you are as well, we used many different products including Meguiar's and Liquid Glass for the customers who wanted us to use that, I have yet to find a product that shines better and lasts longer that Zaino, but the day I do i will be using it on my cars. :)

[Jerry Velders]

I've got multiple coats on my 'vettes. On my older coupe, the multiple coats help to make an old, compromised finish look a LOT better. On my Z06, I do multiple coats just because I love doing it. :) I put one coat (z1/z5) on my grocery getter about 4 months ago, and it still beads water and looks freshly waxed, with only a couple of washings (z7) since then. This is great stuff.

[Bill97Z]

Well, I have good experience with Zaino's durability too. I was so used to waxing every 2-4 weeks, that when I started using zaino, I kept detailing on that schedule. I was very happy with the product and the car looked great. About a year ago, I was extremely busy with work, working overtime, and traveling, and I had hardly any time to spend on my car. This was the worst detail schedule I was ever on, but I only got to wash the car about once every 2 weeks or so. To my amazement, slickness, waterbeading, and gloss continued wash after wash with the Zaino system. I couldn't believe it. I was so used to carnubas losing gloss, and slickness with every wash, but with zaino, after 2 months of washes, it performed like it did the day I put it on. I must say that the car wash and spray detailer really compliment the whole system. Now, I usually layer on about 2-5 coats, till I am satisfied with the shine (it gets glossier with each coat), and then sit back and enjoy the shine while only maintaining for the next few months with Z6 and Z7.

Most people here that put 10-20-30-40 coats of zaino on their car are addicted. I was like that too for a while, as zaino goes on and off sooo easy, and you use so little of it, that after a wash, you just say...what the heck, I will add another coat! But it is really overkill in my opinion. you will find that a few coats, even one coat, will last a long time...even on an outdoor daily commuter, like I have..........

[BigGar]

Thanks for answering my ?'s. I was just curious. I've had a few cars over the years, especially when I was younger, that I waxed almost weekly, just because I liked to. I guess that's why I ended up doing this for a living. Now that I do it for a living, trust me, my personal cars do not get the attention they deserve (my bikes do though:D)
Gar