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Old 07-13-2007, 04:32 PM   #1
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Ok,
The jury is still out. I did the following already:
1. Dawn Wash
2. Clay Bar
3. Z7 Wash
4. Z5 with ZFX

The only problem I have so far is that every post says don't use too much. I also read the posts that say it won't even look like you are putting any on...

The problem is, using the amount they say to use (a dime sized drop on this big-ass rectangular applicator pad) it appears as if it really isn't getting on the car. I know this is a different type of polish than the others I have used, but I don't see how you actually get any polish on the car if you only use that much because the applicator soaks it right up.

Any advice/words of Zaino wisdom?

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Old 07-13-2007, 04:42 PM   #2
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Ok,
The jury is still out. I did the following already:
1. Dawn Wash
2. Clay Bar
3. Z7 Wash
4. Z5 with ZFX

The only problem I have so far is that every post says don't use too much. I also read the posts that say it won't even look like you are putting any on...

The problem is, using the amount they say to use (a dime sized drop on this big-ass rectangular applicator pad) it appears as if it really isn't getting on the car. I know this is a different type of polish than the others I have used, but I don't see how you actually get any polish on the car if you only use that much because the applicator soaks it right up.

Any advice/words of Zaino wisdom?

Thanks
You'll adjust to it eventually. Think multiple light coat applications. Tip: Give the applicator one shot of the gloss enhancing spray before starting to apply the polish. Do this once for each side of the applicator, that will help spread the polish around the applicator. And don't apply too much pressure.
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:44 PM   #3
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You'll adjust to it eventually. Think multiple light coat applications. Tip: Give the applicator one shot of the gloss enhancing spray before starting to apply the polish. Do this once for each side of the applicator, that will help spread the polish around the applicator. And don't apply too much pressure.
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:45 PM   #4
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Wet the applicator, and wring it out. Now put a small amount of polish on the applicator, and start applying on one section. You do not want to apply it too heavy because it will make it much harder to remove when dry. A little goes a LONG way. Z5 is fine, but you should use Z2 as your final polish. It gives your finish MORE depth. I only use Z2 and Z6.
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:49 PM   #5
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Wetting the applicator is the key to spreading the polish thinly and evenly. If you don't wet the applicator, it will absorb the whole ounce it takes to do the complete car. I asked Mr. Zaino about this and he agreed that was the best way to do it. Also, make sure to give it enough drying or "curing" time.
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Old 07-13-2007, 05:15 PM   #6
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Thanks guys. First coat of Z5 is off and looks pretty good. It's slightly splotchy from where I obviously missed a couple spots. Hard to see polish on AO!

I am going to do Z6, then another Z5, then Z6, and then finish with Z2. Looks like I have a long evening ahead of me! Thanks again for the help. Cheers.
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Old 07-13-2007, 06:01 PM   #7
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One more question for all you detailing gurus.

While giving my car the Zaino treatment, I noticed three rather large scratches in both the roof and the rear support part of the roof that is attached to the car (not sure what that is called - not really the a pillar, but the one behind the roof.)

Anyway, how do I remove these. This is the first time I have washed the car since I have owned it and since I have not put any scratches in it, I am assuming it was the dealer as the car only has 300 miles on it! I would rather not take it to the dealer to have the scratches removed, but I would like to use my 7424 to try and get them out. Problem is I have only used it once...2 years ago.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Old 07-13-2007, 09:57 PM   #8
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You can mist your applicator with some Z6 detail spray before applying your Z5 or Z2 to it. As far as how much product to apply to the applicator. I make a thin X across the applicator that has been spritzed with the Z6. As the applicator gets primed you'll find you can make the X smaller and smaller.

On light colored cars it's tougher to see it. I usually try to work from an angle so I can see it in the reflection. Makes it a LOT easier that way.

As for the scratch. If it's deep, a Porter Cable probably won't do much for it. If you have some Zaino ZPC try using that with an orange pad on your porter cable.

Too bad you didn't post this like a week ago, I was just in the Va Beach area and could have stopped by to help.
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Old 07-13-2007, 10:33 PM   #9
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I don't like the dime size recommendation. I use two VERY thin lines.
You will be amazed how far a little can go.
I would say try your PC on your scratches, you have nothing to lose.
You may need something a little more aggressive like menzerna Ip, followed by ZPC, both with an orange pad.
Depending on how deep, you also may need to get someone who knows what they are doing with a rotary. A rotary, in the right hands, can do amazing things.
It hurts, but I don't think I'd trust the dealer to fix what they have already f'd up.
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Too bad you didn't post this like a week ago, I was just in the Va Beach area and could have stopped by to help.
Shoot! Next time you're in town, please look me up. The scratches will probably still be there!

Where can I get the "orange pad" everyone keeps talking about? Are they only sold at specialty stores, or should I just order it online? If so, where should I order it from? I would rather just go into the store and pick it up.

Also, where can I get some Menzerna? Someone also recommended 3M stuff, which is better?

Are there any good instructions for using the stuff with the pad and the porter cable to remove/lighten scratches?T
hnaks agin for all of the help guys!
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The only problem I have so far is that every post says don't use too much. I also read the posts that say it won't even look like you are putting any on...

The problem is, using the amount they say to use (a dime sized drop on this big-ass rectangular applicator pad) it appears as if it really isn't getting on the car. .

Thanks
I couldn't agree with you more! I'm new to Zaino as well. I did 3 coats of Z5 last night and was watching very closely as to how much was actually going on the car. I primed a pad with Z6 and used frequent half a pea sized drops to add more polish as needed. My thinking was to start with as little as possible to see how it went on and came off. Then I would apply a little heavier with each layer to check if I was using too much. Heck, I could barely tell if anything was on after running my finger over the paint.

It's a lot of work. Let's face it, if you're getting 10 coats out of an ounce, you're really not putting anything on or you're missing a lot of spots. I think that's why the instructions say you start to notice the results after the 3rd application. Maybe it's partly due to needing a few coats just to get complete coverage. I think you've got to find a happy medium.
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Old 07-14-2007, 01:38 AM   #12
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...Where can I get the "orange pad"
it's unlikely you'll find good detailing supplies at local stores - I know I cannot. Just do a google for "Lake County orange pad" and you'll find what you're looking for. I bought mine at autogeek.

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Also, where can I get some Menzerna? Someone also recommended 3M stuff, which is better?
autogeek now sells Menzerna. I've bought in the past at properautocare, I think. Best to order online - you're not going to find this locally.

I think 3M #39002 and 39009 are just as good as Menzerna. I continue to use both lines of products arbitrarily -- whichever one is closer when I reach . The advantage of 3M is that you can get it at any NAPA store locally.

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Are there any good instructions for using the stuff with the pad and the porter cable to remove/lighten scratches?
plenty of info in here, adamspolishes.com, autogeek, properautocare, the list goes on. If interested, visit my web site (nothing for sale there) http://www.bugmanweb.com and click on "buffing" and you'll see my own recommendations for removing scratches. Good luck !
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