Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax?
10-22-2001, 07:26 PM
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Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax?
I have a bad spot of paint that zaino just doesn't look flattering on. I had some cleaner wax on it, but we all know how long THAT lasts. So I zaino'd it again, and am wondering if I need to get the zaino off before I wax it again? Or will the abrasives/cleaning agents in the Wax kill the zaino?
thanks.
thanks.
10-22-2001, 08:27 PM
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Re: Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax? (hcvone)
This Mother's Cleaner Wax crap doesn't have any silicone in it does it? I plan on repainting the panels!
10-22-2001, 09:09 PM
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Re: Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax? (Smash)
Smash,
Not to worry....Before Zaino, all that I used was Meguiars Body Scrub,and #26 Yellow Wax. I used to also spray tire dressing on the engine all the time for shows(LOADED WITH SILICONE) :D. As you re-call, My Car was re-painted as well...No problem. The DA will take off anything you have on there, Rest assured. :cheers:
Not to worry....Before Zaino, all that I used was Meguiars Body Scrub,and #26 Yellow Wax. I used to also spray tire dressing on the engine all the time for shows(LOADED WITH SILICONE) :D. As you re-call, My Car was re-painted as well...No problem. The DA will take off anything you have on there, Rest assured. :cheers:
10-23-2001, 12:38 AM
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Re: Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax? (Smash)
Kale, all carnauba wax contains silicone, have you not learned that by now from Sal??? :rolleyes:
10-23-2001, 12:40 PM
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Re: Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax? (catphish)
98% of all cars have swirl marks and fine scratches including brand new cars.
Why? Because of dealer prepping and using an abrasive polish combined with the
wrong towels and incorrect washing of towels. Abrasives and Polyester in towels are
the most common causes of swirl marks and fine scratches, especially on brand new
paint finishes. The dealer is the first person to start the swirl process on a paint
finish.
Here's a way to check if your paint has swirls or scratches. Look at your paint finish
under fluorescent lighting. This will let you see every mark on the paint surface.
Then you be the judge.
Store bought Swirl removers are just a temporary illusion and a Band-Aid
approach to the problem.....
I am totally against using abrasives on paint finishes. Abrasives, no matter how fine,
create new scratches, they should be avoided and only used when absolutely
necessary. And then only by a trained professional. The clear-coat on today's paint
finishes is very thin and abrasive products will thin it even further and hurt it, in
the long run creating many more swirl marks and fine scratches.
All swirl removers contain abrasives and are loaded with silicone oils and other oils.
Zaino Show Car Polish contains no Abrasives or Silicone oils. Although abrasives
remove scratches they create new scratches and swirls and they thin out the
clear-coat. Silicone oil camouflages swirls and scratches, temporarily, as soon as the
oil washes away or evaporates the swirls are visible again. Kinda a Catch-22. Z-5
fills swirls and scratches and does not create any new scratches. Because Z-5
durability is so high and will not wash away. The scratches will stay filled. That's
the hot ticket to a flawless paint finish.
The Z-5 is applied, as per directions, and will fill swirls and scratches in stages. One
to three coats of Z-5 depending on the amount and degree of scratches. Z-2 should
always be the last coat of polish on the car. Z-2 has higher optics than Z-5. You can
go from Z-2 to Z-5 and back to Z-2 anytime you like. Always use Z-6 "Gloss
Enhancer spray between each and ever coat of Z-5 or Z-2.
With deeper swirls and fine scratches sometimes the use of an mild abrasive product
like 3M Foam Polishing Pad Glaze Swirl Mark Remover #39009 is necessary.. I try
to avoid the use of abrasives and would try my best with Z5, to see if it will correct
the problem. However if you don't see a visible difference after 1 or 2 coats of Z-5.
Waiting 6 to 24 hours between coats of Z-5... Then you need to use the 3M Foam
Polishing Pad Glaze Swirl Mark Remover #39009... see following tips...
3M Foam Polishing Pad Glaze use By hand:
Simply apply a small amount (about the size of a quarter) to a cotton diaper or piece
of cotton towel and rub back and forth into about a 1'X 1' section using light to
medium pressure until it starts to dry out. Then take a second towel and lightly rub
back and forth until the polish residue disappears and the gloss comes up. If there
are still some swirls visible you can repeat this step until they are minimal. I prefer
using a less aggressive product a couple times instead of using a more aggressive
product once. After you have done the entire car you can Dawn wash and reapply
your favorite wax/polish or Zaino Z-1 and Z-5/Z-2.
3M Foam Polishing Pad Glaze use By orbital:
Use a 100% cotton bonnet or a foam bonnet and apply the polish in a thin lined
growing circle starting from the center and spacing the growing line about an inch
from the last round all the way to the edge. Place the bonnet flat on a panel and
activate the polisher and begin working the entire panel using light to medium
pressure. When you have worked the panel thoroughly then take a clean towel and
wipe the residue off in a back and forth motion using light pressure. Then simply
move to the next section. When the entire car is done do a Dawn wash and Zaino.
DO NOT ever use cotton T-shirts on your car. They contain polyester and will cause
swirl marks and scratch your paint finish. Use my #314 applicator pad for applying
my polish. Read my Tips & Tricks sheet. http://www.zainobros.com
Towels must be 100% Made in USA. Name Brand(Cannon or Fieldcrest Towels).
These towels are always 100% Cotton. Most other Brand name towels I've analyzed
are not 100% Cotton but a blend of cotton and polyester. The cotton material is
from overseas and is not federally regulated. Even though they say 100% Cotton
they are not.
You must use only white. Not colored towels.....Colored towels are not to be used
because the dye leaves a chemical residue on the paint finish. Always wash your
towels first before using. Use Liquid detergent and rinse twice. Do not use Powdered
detergent, Bleach or any type of Fabric softener. Make sure to run rinse cycle twice
to remove all detergent.
You should cut the selvages(borders) off the perimeter of the towels. This selvage
contains nylon and polyester stitching that could possibly scratch your paint finish.
The towels will fray a little once this is done. But it's better to play it safe.
Drying the towels on high heat will make them hold a static charge. I use the regular
heat setting and remove them a little damp and let them air dry. You can fluff the
towel real good when it's dry to make it softer.
As the towels get older they will lose there nap and absorbency and will have to be
replaced.
I don't like sponges natural or synthetic, they all can scratch...
Another great tip is to use a Toro 210mph Electric leaf blower. Dries your car in
about 5 minutes.... without even touching the paint surface....
Why? Because of dealer prepping and using an abrasive polish combined with the
wrong towels and incorrect washing of towels. Abrasives and Polyester in towels are
the most common causes of swirl marks and fine scratches, especially on brand new
paint finishes. The dealer is the first person to start the swirl process on a paint
finish.
Here's a way to check if your paint has swirls or scratches. Look at your paint finish
under fluorescent lighting. This will let you see every mark on the paint surface.
Then you be the judge.
Store bought Swirl removers are just a temporary illusion and a Band-Aid
approach to the problem.....
I am totally against using abrasives on paint finishes. Abrasives, no matter how fine,
create new scratches, they should be avoided and only used when absolutely
necessary. And then only by a trained professional. The clear-coat on today's paint
finishes is very thin and abrasive products will thin it even further and hurt it, in
the long run creating many more swirl marks and fine scratches.
All swirl removers contain abrasives and are loaded with silicone oils and other oils.
Zaino Show Car Polish contains no Abrasives or Silicone oils. Although abrasives
remove scratches they create new scratches and swirls and they thin out the
clear-coat. Silicone oil camouflages swirls and scratches, temporarily, as soon as the
oil washes away or evaporates the swirls are visible again. Kinda a Catch-22. Z-5
fills swirls and scratches and does not create any new scratches. Because Z-5
durability is so high and will not wash away. The scratches will stay filled. That's
the hot ticket to a flawless paint finish.
The Z-5 is applied, as per directions, and will fill swirls and scratches in stages. One
to three coats of Z-5 depending on the amount and degree of scratches. Z-2 should
always be the last coat of polish on the car. Z-2 has higher optics than Z-5. You can
go from Z-2 to Z-5 and back to Z-2 anytime you like. Always use Z-6 "Gloss
Enhancer spray between each and ever coat of Z-5 or Z-2.
With deeper swirls and fine scratches sometimes the use of an mild abrasive product
like 3M Foam Polishing Pad Glaze Swirl Mark Remover #39009 is necessary.. I try
to avoid the use of abrasives and would try my best with Z5, to see if it will correct
the problem. However if you don't see a visible difference after 1 or 2 coats of Z-5.
Waiting 6 to 24 hours between coats of Z-5... Then you need to use the 3M Foam
Polishing Pad Glaze Swirl Mark Remover #39009... see following tips...
3M Foam Polishing Pad Glaze use By hand:
Simply apply a small amount (about the size of a quarter) to a cotton diaper or piece
of cotton towel and rub back and forth into about a 1'X 1' section using light to
medium pressure until it starts to dry out. Then take a second towel and lightly rub
back and forth until the polish residue disappears and the gloss comes up. If there
are still some swirls visible you can repeat this step until they are minimal. I prefer
using a less aggressive product a couple times instead of using a more aggressive
product once. After you have done the entire car you can Dawn wash and reapply
your favorite wax/polish or Zaino Z-1 and Z-5/Z-2.
3M Foam Polishing Pad Glaze use By orbital:
Use a 100% cotton bonnet or a foam bonnet and apply the polish in a thin lined
growing circle starting from the center and spacing the growing line about an inch
from the last round all the way to the edge. Place the bonnet flat on a panel and
activate the polisher and begin working the entire panel using light to medium
pressure. When you have worked the panel thoroughly then take a clean towel and
wipe the residue off in a back and forth motion using light pressure. Then simply
move to the next section. When the entire car is done do a Dawn wash and Zaino.
DO NOT ever use cotton T-shirts on your car. They contain polyester and will cause
swirl marks and scratch your paint finish. Use my #314 applicator pad for applying
my polish. Read my Tips & Tricks sheet. http://www.zainobros.com
Towels must be 100% Made in USA. Name Brand(Cannon or Fieldcrest Towels).
These towels are always 100% Cotton. Most other Brand name towels I've analyzed
are not 100% Cotton but a blend of cotton and polyester. The cotton material is
from overseas and is not federally regulated. Even though they say 100% Cotton
they are not.
You must use only white. Not colored towels.....Colored towels are not to be used
because the dye leaves a chemical residue on the paint finish. Always wash your
towels first before using. Use Liquid detergent and rinse twice. Do not use Powdered
detergent, Bleach or any type of Fabric softener. Make sure to run rinse cycle twice
to remove all detergent.
You should cut the selvages(borders) off the perimeter of the towels. This selvage
contains nylon and polyester stitching that could possibly scratch your paint finish.
The towels will fray a little once this is done. But it's better to play it safe.
Drying the towels on high heat will make them hold a static charge. I use the regular
heat setting and remove them a little damp and let them air dry. You can fluff the
towel real good when it's dry to make it softer.
As the towels get older they will lose there nap and absorbency and will have to be
replaced.
I don't like sponges natural or synthetic, they all can scratch...
Another great tip is to use a Toro 210mph Electric leaf blower. Dries your car in
about 5 minutes.... without even touching the paint surface....
10-23-2001, 01:52 PM
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Re: Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax? (Smash)
Another great tip is to use a Toro 210mph Electric leaf blower. Dries your car in
about 5 minutes.... without even touching the paint surface....
about 5 minutes.... without even touching the paint surface....
10-26-2001, 12:50 AM
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Re: Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax? (JD 90 383)
Smash -
To answer your initial question - no, you do not need to strip Zaino before applying a carnauba wax. However, if at some point, you would like to apply more Zaino (but have already applied the carnauba) you will need to strip the carnauba, as you will not get a proper bond from the Zaino with the presence of the wax.
If you are looking to use a carnauba, my advice would be to initially apply all the Zaino that you want. Bring the car to your desired level of relectivity, and then wax with a carnauba on a regular basis. The carnauba will add depth to the finish. Keep in mind that all carnaubas evaporate/wear off over time, so you will need to maintain the wax if you decide to go this route. The nice thing about this method, if you decide that you don't want to continue waxing, you still have the Zaino on the finish underneath.
To answer your initial question - no, you do not need to strip Zaino before applying a carnauba wax. However, if at some point, you would like to apply more Zaino (but have already applied the carnauba) you will need to strip the carnauba, as you will not get a proper bond from the Zaino with the presence of the wax.
If you are looking to use a carnauba, my advice would be to initially apply all the Zaino that you want. Bring the car to your desired level of relectivity, and then wax with a carnauba on a regular basis. The carnauba will add depth to the finish. Keep in mind that all carnaubas evaporate/wear off over time, so you will need to maintain the wax if you decide to go this route. The nice thing about this method, if you decide that you don't want to continue waxing, you still have the Zaino on the finish underneath.
10-26-2001, 10:18 AM
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Re: Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax? (rubyred93)
Smash -
To answer your initial question - no, you do not need to strip Zaino before applying a carnauba wax. However, if at some point, you would like to apply more Zaino (but have already applied the carnauba) you will need to strip the carnauba, as you will not get a proper bond from the Zaino with the presence of the wax.
If you are looking to use a carnauba, my advice would be to initially apply all the Zaino that you want. Bring the car to your desired level of relectivity, and then wax with a carnauba on a regular basis. The carnauba will add depth to the finish. Keep in mind that all carnaubas evaporate/wear off over time, so you will need to maintain the wax if you decide to go this route. The nice thing about this method, if you decide that you don't want to continue waxing, you still have the Zaino on the finish underneath.
To answer your initial question - no, you do not need to strip Zaino before applying a carnauba wax. However, if at some point, you would like to apply more Zaino (but have already applied the carnauba) you will need to strip the carnauba, as you will not get a proper bond from the Zaino with the presence of the wax.
If you are looking to use a carnauba, my advice would be to initially apply all the Zaino that you want. Bring the car to your desired level of relectivity, and then wax with a carnauba on a regular basis. The carnauba will add depth to the finish. Keep in mind that all carnaubas evaporate/wear off over time, so you will need to maintain the wax if you decide to go this route. The nice thing about this method, if you decide that you don't want to continue waxing, you still have the Zaino on the finish underneath.
Using this same methodology, if you use Mobil 1 oil, next time you change your oil, put 4 quarts of Mobil one in and for good measure throw a quart of dino in on top of that.
[Modified by KLO, 8:39 AM 10/26/2001]
10-26-2001, 11:13 AM
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Re: Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax? (KLO)
KLO -
And your point is what?? :rolleyes: There are many people that practice this method of car care. Simply because YOU do not endorse it, does not mean that it is wrong.
Get a grip, and stop following so blindly.
And your point is what?? :rolleyes: There are many people that practice this method of car care. Simply because YOU do not endorse it, does not mean that it is wrong.
Get a grip, and stop following so blindly.
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Re: Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax? (rubyred93)
I work for Zaino, I think I know at least a little about our product, I have NEVER heard of anyone using carnauba on top of Zaino before you posted it.
If I knew anyone doing this, I would not sell our product to them.
If I knew anyone doing this, I would not sell our product to them.
10-26-2001, 02:32 PM
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Re: Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax? (KLO)
Yeah, the carnuba makes the reflection kinda "murky" and it loses that "mile deep clear reflection" like it has with Zaino.
Kinda like buying the clearest lense you can afford, only to paint it yellow.
Kinda like buying the clearest lense you can afford, only to paint it yellow.
10-26-2001, 06:45 PM
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Re: Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax? (KLO)
If I knew anyone doing this, I would not sell our product to them.
10-26-2001, 07:04 PM
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Re: Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax? (jschindler)
If I knew anyone doing this, I would not sell our product to them.
It's not a dog, it won't know the difference. You guys kill me!
It's not a dog, it won't know the difference. You guys kill me!
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Re: Do I need to strip zaino before applying carnuba wax? (KLO)
Smash -
To answer your initial question - no, you do not need to strip Zaino before applying a carnauba wax. However, if at some point, you would like to apply more Zaino (but have already applied the carnauba) you will need to strip the carnauba, as you will not get a proper bond from the Zaino with the presence of the wax.
If you are looking to use a carnauba, my advice would be to initially apply all the Zaino that you want. Bring the car to your desired level of relectivity, and then wax with a carnauba on a regular basis. The carnauba will add depth to the finish. Keep in mind that all carnaubas evaporate/wear off over time, so you will need to maintain the wax if you decide to go this route. The nice thing about this method, if you decide that you don't want to continue waxing, you still have the Zaino on the finish underneath.
Sal Zaino will tell you he DOES NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! recommend this, meaning putting carnauba over Zaino, it TOTALLY defeats, oh lets say, about 20 years of Sal's life's work. Carnauba over Zaino only adds oil, and using Zaino is in fact a way of NOT using oil on automotive paint.
Using this same methodology, if you use Mobil 1 oil, next time you change your oil, put 4 quarts of Mobil one in and for good measure throw a quart of dino in on top of that.
[Modified by KLO, 8:39 AM 10/26/2001]
To answer your initial question - no, you do not need to strip Zaino before applying a carnauba wax. However, if at some point, you would like to apply more Zaino (but have already applied the carnauba) you will need to strip the carnauba, as you will not get a proper bond from the Zaino with the presence of the wax.
If you are looking to use a carnauba, my advice would be to initially apply all the Zaino that you want. Bring the car to your desired level of relectivity, and then wax with a carnauba on a regular basis. The carnauba will add depth to the finish. Keep in mind that all carnaubas evaporate/wear off over time, so you will need to maintain the wax if you decide to go this route. The nice thing about this method, if you decide that you don't want to continue waxing, you still have the Zaino on the finish underneath.
Sal Zaino will tell you he DOES NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! recommend this, meaning putting carnauba over Zaino, it TOTALLY defeats, oh lets say, about 20 years of Sal's life's work. Carnauba over Zaino only adds oil, and using Zaino is in fact a way of NOT using oil on automotive paint.
Using this same methodology, if you use Mobil 1 oil, next time you change your oil, put 4 quarts of Mobil one in and for good measure throw a quart of dino in on top of that.
[Modified by KLO, 8:39 AM 10/26/2001]
Mobil 1+dino...(good analogy)...
:lol: :yesnod: :lol: :yesnod: :D
[Modified by Yello95, 1:41 AM 11/6/2001]
