I am so fu**ing pissed at the law that protects the guilty more than the innocent
Forgive me this rant. I am totally pissed off right now.
My parents own their own shop here in town. Today we discovered 5 kids in one of our vehicles parked out back smoking pot and causing some destruction worth about $5K.
My brother and I and a friend manage to capture 3 but 2 got away.
But before we captured them, they tried to fight us by throwing rocks and bricks we had lying around at us. Yeah we got a few scrapes. THey damaged the car and van we had parked there in the back. Burnt upholstery, broken windows, not to mention the smell of reefer in the van.
3 hours later as the cops are taking the kids home, they tell us that there isn't much they can do as they are under age. 14 and 15 year old bastards.
Why can't they be charged with vandalism, trespassing, and assault on our property, not to mention possession and use of a narcotic? We have video of everything they did and we can't use it. Oh sure, we can file a civil claim against their parents but what is that going to get us?
Why doesn't the law protect me??????
So now I have to worry about retribution. Seems these kids are known to the cops and warned us. Fu**ing great. So now I have to ask, what's the law say about using deadly force to protect oneself on one's own property? 5 of them and only 1 of me.
Next time those bastages come near me, I won't hesitate to throw those bricks back at them and god help where I'm aiming!
Sounds like those little angels have too much time on their hands. Maybe a Cherry Beach 'tune up' would sharpen there senses. They would certainly gain a new appreciation of pain...
Forgive me this rant. I am totally pissed off right now.
My parents own their own shop here in town. Today we discovered 5 kids in one of our vehicles parked out back smoking pot and causing some destruction worth about $5K.
My brother and I and a friend manage to capture 3 but 2 got away.
But before we captured them, they tried to fight us by throwing rocks and bricks we had lying around at us. Yeah we got a few scrapes. THey damaged the car and van we had parked there in the back. Burnt upholstery, broken windows, not to mention the smell of reefer in the van.
3 hours later as the cops are taking the kids home, they tell us that there isn't much they can do as they are under age. 14 and 15 year old bastards.
Why can't they be charged with vandalism, trespassing, and assault on our property, not to mention possession and use of a narcotic? We have video of everything they did and we can't use it. Oh sure, we can file a civil claim against their parents but what is that going to get us?
Why doesn't the law protect me??????
So now I have to worry about retribution. Seems these kids are known to the cops and warned us. Fu**ing great. So now I have to ask, what's the law say about using deadly force to protect oneself on one's own property? 5 of them and only 1 of me.
Next time those bastages come near me, I won't hesitate to throw those bricks back at them and god help where I'm aiming!
Sounds like the cops couldn't be bothered to do the paperwork, because the kids would be on the street before it's done. I would speak to a superior at the local station and get some advice.
Even if they're given a fine, drag their names through the system, they have to get to age of majority some time.
That sucks ROYALLY Stan. That's a big problem today, the laws are a joke, and kids have no respect. My guess is the parents won't discipline them at all and are probably never around. I agree you should take it to the supervisors, and be careful. I know you could easily knock them out all at once, no question there, but the punks of today have no respect or regard for human life or anything anymore.
Agreed. Sue the sh1t out of the parents and hope it translates to beatings at home.
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Originally Posted by gdh
You can sue the parents though and that might get someones attention anyway.
The cops said civil suit is the way to go. Just not sure it's worth it for approx $5k. Don't get me wrong, I want them to pay. Just not sure how much I'd be out of pocket with all the court fees and lawyer fees and whatnot. May be a wash.
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Originally Posted by uxb101
can we see brick throwing video...
hey just joking
We've had the shop for 35 years now. Except for a stolen utility trailer about 15 years ago (the 1 time we left it outside), and people leaving their trash by our bins (reason why we got the video in the first place) we've never had any issues. I guess we were due. But tomorrow, I'm going out and buying a state of the art DVR type system with night vision and multiple cameras. Something I can monitor on the web, plus save any videos it records in AVI/MPG/WMV/FLV format, for all the good it will do. This approx. 13 year old 2 cam system we have now only records to a 12 hour loop vhs tape. Video didn't come out to bad though. A bit grainy given the age of the tape (anywhere from 6 to 13 years old. Can't say I ever replaced the tapes except one time.)
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Originally Posted by corrado
That sucks ROYALLY Stan. That's a big problem today, the laws are a joke, and kids have no respect. My guess is the parents won't discipline them at all and are probably never around. I agree you should take it to the supervisors, and be careful. I know you could easily knock them out all at once, no question there, but the punks of today have no respect or regard for human life or anything anymore.
Heat of the moment. Not sure I have the capability to be that ruthless, even if mine were at stake. Hopefully, I will never have to find out.
That sucks Stan. As far as I know when you sue someone civilly, if they lose the case they have to compensate you for your legal fees. Chances are if you have them on video, the parents will not defend and chose to settle.
The good news if it's below 10k you can sue in small claims court.
Word of advice make sure the parents have the means to pay prior to pursuing the legal route, otherwise a judgement is merely a piece of paper.
You can cause all sorts of grief for the parents. Ask that the kids be charged. The parents will then find out exactly what their little brats were up too. In retaliation, they will beat the sh1t out of the kid. If the parents have any money they will pay you for damages and hope you go away. If not, you will at least be happy to know that the old man kicked the little bastards ass around the block for dope, dumb, and not driving it away. Ask me how I know.....
Show the video to the responding officer's supervisor.
If the video can clearly identify them, charges will be granted and proceed to Young Offender's court. You need to be able to ID them 100% in the video ! Matching jackets or pieces of cloathing is not enough. You need to see the faces ! Many teens are wearing the same jackets and the baggy pants ......
If the happrehended suspects won't provide further info on the other one that escaped, the cops are at dead end. Suspect(s) under 18yrs must have parent/guardian/lawyer present during interogation otherwise NOTHING will be admissbale in court proceedings.
You can see what the parent or lawyer will do when he meets with the arresting officer. "Son don't say anything !" or "My son would never do that !" or "My son is influenced by others, they did it !"
Respectfully ask the supervisor WHY charges are not applicable.
If cops won't proceed, you can lay your own INFORMATION before the courts.
"Tresspass to property" applies when subject(s) was/were warned to stay off the property. Posted signs must be clearly posted at many places on property....
Yep, very frustrating. "No win" situation UNLESS you have time and $$$ to spend in civil court !
stan just by reading iam pizzed so iam sure you have gone thru fing worse, since everyone told the same thing go behind those kids/parents whatever you can do legally do it, even though you did not get anything out of this deal, atleast you will have satisfaction you taught them lesson that they will remember in years to come.
Jon: not just florida but you can do in most states there, glog 9mm and colt45 cheap there too.
Show the video to the responding officer's supervisor.
If the video can clearly identify them, charges will be granted and proceed to Young Offender's court. You need to be able to ID them 100% in the video ! Matching jackets or pieces of cloathing is not enough. You need to see the faces ! Many teens are wearing the same jackets and the baggy pants ......
If the happrehended suspects won't provide further info on the other one that escaped, the cops are at dead end. Suspect(s) under 18yrs must have parent/guardian/lawyer present during interogation otherwise NOTHING will be admissbale in court proceedings.
You can see what the parent or lawyer will do when he meets with the arresting officer. "Son don't say anything !" or "My son would never do that !" or "My son is influenced by others, they did it !"
Respectfully ask the supervisor WHY charges are not applicable.
If cops won't proceed, you can lay your own INFORMATION before the courts.
"Tresspass to property" applies when subject(s) was/were warned to stay off the property. Posted signs must be clearly posted at many places on property....
Yep, very frustrating. "No win" situation UNLESS you have time and $$$ to spend in civil court !
Good luck.
S80
The video may be a problem then. You can see everyone, but you have to look close to see faces and even then, the quality of it is not that great.
While we don't have a no trespassing sign around our shop, we do have a 6 foot tall fence with another 1 foot (3 strands) of barbed wire on top of that. And a couple of beware of dogs signs. They climbed over the fence and the barbed wire to get on our property.
Once the police showed up, the kids got real quiet. Cops wouldn't let us be close by when they handcuffed them and put them in the car while taking their statements.
The arresting officers did say they would contact us on Monday to discuss our options so we'll see.
The law seems to always be protecting the criminals not the law abiding citizens..If it were me, I would prosecute them to the full extent of the law. Sorry for your misfortune.
stan just by reading iam pizzed so iam sure you have gone thru fing worse, since everyone told the same thing go behind those kids/parents whatever you can do legally do it, even though you did not get anything out of this deal, atleast you will have satisfaction you taught them lesson that they will remember in years to come.
Jon: not just florida but you can do in most states there, glog 9mm and colt45 cheap there too.
Yeah, somehow I doubt taking these kids parents to court will teach the kids anything.
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Originally Posted by -vet
Sounds like those little angels have too much time on their hands. Maybe a Cherry Beach 'tune up' would sharpen there senses. They would certainly gain a new appreciation of pain...
Wow you've been around, you know about Cherry Beach, now that would make those little punks think twice about doing anything illegal
Corvette Store
I am so fu**ing pissed at the law that protects the guilty more than the innocent
Many teens are wearing the same jackets and the baggy pants ......
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