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Old 03-13-2024, 05:18 PM
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I went from C6Z to C7Z to C8Z, Never looked back from any of them. Current Z06 is the best car I've ever owned, including Ferrari and several Porsche TT, GT3, RS.
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Had a C7 Z07 manual that I tracked extensively. It was a great car. The new C8Z is the Best Vette Yet… No doubt, in my opinion, inside and out. I got a HTC (non Z07), took it to VIR with standard alignment, and PS4S tires and I couldn’t believe how good the car was, as well as how fast it was. I have been blessed to own a C4, two c5’s, a C6 twin turbo, a c7 stingray, and a c7 z06 ALL manual trans cars, and I am 55 years of age, so I know a thing or two about vettes lol… This is the very FIRST vette I have owned that I will not modify in any way. I will never sell this car… never… I have loved and enjoyed ALL of my previous vettes, but this is, for me, a forever car… I have zero interest in a silent electric car, I don’t give a sh** if the thing can fly… give we the wail of 8600 rpm of a FPC race motor…. But that’s just me…. good luck
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Old 03-14-2024, 06:36 AM
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Agree on not modifying. These cars are PEFECT stock. Crazy how people want to take a gamble at this platform, mainly the engine with performance mods to give you 15hp lol. It doesn't make sense but hey to each their own.

It's not like the C7Z. You're not getting 150+hp easily with some inexpensive mods. Get the ERAY or wait for the ZR1 for those big builds.

We basically have a GM version of the GT3. We are so lucky to have this type of car in 2024, or 2023 whenever you got it.
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Old 03-14-2024, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by EvanZR1
I haven't had a C7 Z06 (but have driven them), but my recent Corvettes (pre-Z06) were C8 Stingray, C6 ZR1 (w/730whp), and C7 Stingray. The C8 Z06 blows all of them away and is everything I hoped it would be. It "fixes" the shortcomings of the C8 Stingray (for me at least), which were being too quiet, not having enough revs/power, and being a little too refined (not as much of an "event" to drive). I loved my C6 ZR1, but the C8 Z06 is just so much better at putting down the power than any front-engine Corvette, and I guarantee will destroy a stock C7 Z06/C6 ZR1 from a dig, and will hold it's own from a roll. Beyond all that, the C8 Z06 is so much friendlier to drive hard. I just spent 2 days at Ron Fellows beating on one, and it's so easy to drive hard on track. And no, I don't miss driving a clutch/stick at all. Just drive all the time in manual mode on the C8Z and you'll find it's just as engaging.
The C8 Z06 is a wonderful car. It has already been proven out that it was pretty even on a roll with a C7 Z06 M7 (Driver in the C7 Z left some on the table with shifts). In this same race, if you are running a C7 A8, you will be in trouble from a roll, (stock C8 Z to stock C7 Z A8).. Unless you are drag racing or in F1, who starts from a dig? On a road course, is the C8 Z Z07 to C7 Z Z07 on equal cup2Rs any faster (Equal Driver)? Nope - Look at the times and you will see the tires are the difference in times. Each platform has it's advantages and disadvantages in handling characteristics. Drag times of each have pretty much shown to be equal, though it is harder to launch the C7 as the C8's advanced technology in launch control and the gearing in both the C8 Stingray and C8 Z06 lends itself to 100/125 respectively before the drop gears...

To the OP - If you want the latest Z, the C8 Z is a great choice vs that of other manufacturers have to offer for the price.
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Old 03-14-2024, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by JG853
On a road course, is the C8 Z Z07 to C7 Z Z07 on equal cup2Rs any faster (Equal Driver)? Nope - Look at the times and you will see the tires are the difference in times.
I have asked to see video of any owners going quicker in their C8Z's than they did in their C7Z's without any response. So far, I haven't been able to find any videos like that on my own either. All I see typically are a couple C7Z's being driven more quickly than anyone is going in their C8Z's.
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Old 03-14-2024, 10:16 AM
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Thanks everyone for your comments. I will have to decide as I can't have both a C7 and C8 Z06. Have a two car garage and there is a 2021 Hellcat Redeye inside and he is not going anywhere.!! I am fortunate to have such a problem.
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Originally Posted by Racingswh
I have asked to see video of any owners going quicker in their C8Z's than they did in their C7Z's without any response. So far, I haven't been able to find any videos like that on my own either. All I see typically are a couple C7Z's being driven more quickly than anyone is going in their C8Z's.
Wait...does that mean torque matters?
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Originally Posted by probabilist
Thanks everyone for your comments. I will have to decide as I can't have both a C7 and C8 Z06. Have a two car garage and there is a 2021 Hellcat Redeye inside and he is not going anywhere.!! I am fortunate to have such a problem.
Oh, if that's the case i would keep the redeye and get the C8Z.

To me, the C7Z and the redeye are similar cars in the sense that they're both big monster SC V8's. With massive torque down low. And in most situations have 2 z06's doesn't make sense. Although i am only keeping my C7Z because it holds a lot of memories vs me just driving it often. I only have put about 300 miles on the C7Z since getting the C8Z however when i do drive the C7Z as of recently i am reminded of how good it is.
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Originally Posted by JG853
...On a road course, is the C8 Z Z07 to C7 Z Z07 on equal cup2Rs any faster (Equal Driver)? Nope - Look at the times and you will see the tires are the difference in times. Each platform has it's advantages and disadvantages in handling characteristics. Drag times of each have pretty much shown to be equal, though it is harder to launch the C7 as the C8's advanced technology in launch control and the gearing in both the C8 Stingray and C8 Z06 lends itself to 100/125 respectively before the drop gears...
The C8 in general (including the Z06) is way easier to push closer to its limit than the C5/6/7. The mid-engine platform and how GM has set it up is just "friendlier" and confidence-inspiring, much easier to push it closer to its limits. As to launch & traction, it's not just the better launch control. The mid (rear) engine design helps put the power down much better even without launch control and with TC off.

Originally Posted by probabilist
Thanks everyone for your comments. I will have to decide as I can't have both a C7 and C8 Z06. Have a two car garage and there is a 2021 Hellcat Redeye inside and he is not going anywhere.!! I am fortunate to have such a problem.
I'd probably keep the Redeye and add the C8 Z06. That way you have some variety.
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Originally Posted by 3LZR21U
Wait...does that mean torque matters?
I think what it means is that driving cars truly quickly isn't all that easy and requires a level of traction-sensing ability as well as commitment that very, very few of us possess. The performance limits of a C7Z are only accessible to a handful of drivers. I can only think of 5 or 6 drivers that are on this forum that I believe would have the ability to extract most of what a C7Z is capable of. I don't think any of them have C8Z's but I could be mistaken. I know one has had the C8Z51 and was not enamored with it.
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A car is more than just 0-60 and lap time. It is about how you feel when driving it and how involving is the overall experience. The C8 Z07 for me wins this without question compared to my C7 Z06.
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[QUOTE=EvanZR1;1607619318]The C8 in general (including the Z06) is way easier to push closer to its limit than the C5/6/7. The mid-engine platform and how GM has set it up is just "friendlier" and confidence-inspiring, much easier to push it closer to its limits. As to launch & traction, it's not just the better launch control. The mid (rear) engine design helps put the power down much better even without launch control and with TC off.

I get that - That is an advantage of any ME Platform car over FME Platform (From a dig). That said, GM did an absolute wonderful job in the launch control technology - It is really leading class over other manufacturers.

To say it is easier to push to the limit, I think you will need to drive a C7 Z06 on equal Cup2R tires (Z07 to Z07). The C8 Stingray needs a ton of camber to get it to turn on a road course. Sure, the additional width of the C8 Z06 tires helps, but it still needs a bunch of camber to turn.

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Originally Posted by probabilist
Thanks everyone for your comments. I will have to decide as I can't have both a C7 and C8 Z06. Have a two car garage and there is a 2021 Hellcat Redeye inside and he is not going anywhere.!! I am fortunate to have such a problem.
I have a similar situation with garage space. These two because of cost stay inside. The C6 and C7Z have to stay out. My Hellcat Redeye Jailbreak is a 2022.

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Originally Posted by probabilist
Thanks everyone for your comments. I will have to decide as I can't have both a C7 and C8 Z06. Have a two car garage and there is a 2021 Hellcat Redeye inside and he is not going anywhere.!! I am fortunate to have such a problem.
Hopefully whichever car(s) you keep have a stick...A slushbox won't age nearly as well, either monetarily or mechanically.

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[QUOTE=JG853;1607619451]
Originally Posted by EvanZR1
The C8 in general (including the Z06) is way easier to push closer to its limit than the C5/6/7. The mid-engine platform and how GM has set it up is just "friendlier" and confidence-inspiring, much easier to push it closer to its limits. As to launch & traction, it's not just the better launch control. The mid (rear) engine design helps put the power down much better even without launch control and with TC off.

I get that - That is an advantage of any ME Platform car over FME Platform (From a dig). That said, GM did an absolute wonderful job in the launch control technology - It is really leading class over other manufacturers.

To say it is easier to push to the limit, I think you will need to drive a C7 Z06 on equal Cup2R tires (Z07 to Z07). The C8 Stingray needs a ton of camber to get it to turn on a road course. Sure, the additional width of the C8 Z06 tires helps, but it still needs a bunch of camber to turn.
And this is why I keep insisting that the pipe-dream C8 GS is never gonna happen.
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Originally Posted by JG853
To say it is easier to push to the limit, I think you will need to drive a C7 Z06 on equal Cup2R tires (Z07 to Z07). The C8 Stingray needs a ton of camber to get it to turn on a road course. Sure, the additional width of the C8 Z06 tires helps, but it still needs a bunch of camber to turn.
Turn-in on track does not necessarily make it easier to push to the limit, you also need the rear end to stay planted and communicate what it's doing, which has always been a weak point of the front engine Corvettes (yes, I've driven a number of them on track). They have great mechanical grip, but the rear tends to have a very abrupt limit, which doesn't make it as comfortable to push to the limit. As to the C8 needing a "bunch of camber", that may be true on the Stingray, but not as much on the Z06. Per the Ron Fellows presentation, they only add 1 degree of additional camber on the Z06 for track alignment.

EDIT: Based on the Track prep guide, it's actually only -2 camber for C8Z. And even the Stingray at -3 camber (front) isn't that crazy. For previous C4/5s that I tracked a lot, I remember running -2.5 front.
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I have similar issue. I have c7 z06 2015 M7 with about 22k miles on it. Love the car. Been on the configurator trying to find the right config for C8 z06, but have been wondering if it will be a mistake to pay all that money for new beast. After reading everyone's comments. Im thinking I will follow my instinct to wait a it longer to see how the market goes for the C8 z06 as well as the refresh and new offerings. Maybe there will be a deals to snag up for those of us whom wait.

Only time will tell

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And this is why I keep insisting that the pipe-dream C8 GS is never gonna happen.
A new gen 6 engine for the SR makes more sense and is more likely to happen than the GS...Three (or four if the Zora happens) wide body variants are enough.
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Originally Posted by Z06-MAN

Love them both equally
Thinking of doing the same thing, who's ramp, any problems, ceiling height?

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Originally Posted by mtraylor2001
I have similar issue. I have c7 z06 2015 M7 with about 22k miles on it. Love the car. Been on the configurator trying to find the right config for C8 z06, but have been wondering if it will be a mistake to pay all that money for new beast. After reading everyone's comments. Im thinking I will follow my instinct to wait a it longer to see how the market goes for the C8 z06 as well as the refresh and new offerings. Maybe there will be a deals to snag up for those of us whom wait.

Only time will tell
Might not be a great idea. The C8 Z06, IMHO, is a one off. Meaning GM did us a favor by offering an NA car of this magnitude when everyone else has gone hybrid, downsized to smaller displacement/less cylinder engines. To keep waiting we don't know what will happen. We can't assume the z06 will last the entire C8 generation as regulations and emissions just keep getting more strict. Everyone who has reviewed the car has all said the same thing. That it's a miracle a car like the C8 Z06 exists in todays world.

Maybe you could wait for a '25 and pass on a '24 but to keep waiting for later MY's isn't a smart move IMO.

That said i do know how you feel, also being a C7Z owner. It's an incredible car for sure. Not ready to let it go yet. Perhaps if it starts developing issues i will consider. But i feel guilty knowing i was trying to get rid of it when it's been the most reliable car i have EVER owned.


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