Another Bachman horror story
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LE MANSZ (09-12-2023)
09-12-2023, 12:19 PM
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That is a more fitting question.
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09-12-2023, 01:10 PM
#124
Time for some Econ 101. Free market capitalism would mean D2C is allowed instead of state laws preventing auto manufacturers from selling direct to consumers, and providing dealers with a literal economic cartel.
What you are describing is from corrupt government regulation, not capitalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_...ect_sales_bans
What you are describing is from corrupt government regulation, not capitalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_...ect_sales_bans
09-12-2023, 03:37 PM
#125
I would donate.
It's always been annoying seeing dealers mess with people like this. I always wondered how things would go if someone really went after a dealer that does this sort of thing. Most people don't because financially it just doesn't make much sense. But I'd be happy to pitch in for an effort like this.
It's always been annoying seeing dealers mess with people like this. I always wondered how things would go if someone really went after a dealer that does this sort of thing. Most people don't because financially it just doesn't make much sense. But I'd be happy to pitch in for an effort like this.
Famous case in the business law books was for a Plymouth Prowler when those were new.
You need a signed agreement with the dealership clearly stating price of the vehicle. Without it, you are sunk.
09-16-2023, 07:35 PM
#126
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I've only initiated one lawsuit in my life, for business reasons against a company with much deeper pockets than me.
About $20k of lawyer's fees into it, I realized I wouldn't get the satisfaction I sought and eventually dropped the whole thing and moved on.
Smartest thing I did. It takes lots of energy, effort and financial resources to prosecute a civil case, with never a guarantee how it's going to turn out.
One man's experience only. Wish you luck if you decide to pursue.
About $20k of lawyer's fees into it, I realized I wouldn't get the satisfaction I sought and eventually dropped the whole thing and moved on.
Smartest thing I did. It takes lots of energy, effort and financial resources to prosecute a civil case, with never a guarantee how it's going to turn out.
One man's experience only. Wish you luck if you decide to pursue.
with that being said if anybody is able to fight one of these cases and win, please tell that story!
09-22-2023, 01:37 PM
#127
So far 6k was quote to get started. I said ok. Don’t know how high I would go before tapping out. What Id like to accomplish is at least have their practices disclosed. Someone mentioned a billboard but I am hesitant to slander and don’t know the area and wouldn’t exactly know what to say. At the end of the day I’d rather have them pay for treating people like that than get back money myself. Lots of people struggling to make payments on normal cars getting deceived as well I’ll bet but I don’t know that for fact. All I know for fact is people that have pm me with exact same situation I faced on this car but my guess is that it’s up and down.
btw as an aside I just ordered a car from Sewell Cadillac in tx. They have 3 branches in sa hous and grapevine all sell at msrp with no add ons if not on floor yet. I was able to get a 24 when almost all other dealers trying to tack on 20k or so for a 23. Most honest system I’ve dealt with. PM me if you want salesman’s name. Z06 much harder car to get as you all know but many here have cross interest with Black wing so I thought I’d mention
btw as an aside I just ordered a car from Sewell Cadillac in tx. They have 3 branches in sa hous and grapevine all sell at msrp with no add ons if not on floor yet. I was able to get a 24 when almost all other dealers trying to tack on 20k or so for a 23. Most honest system I’ve dealt with. PM me if you want salesman’s name. Z06 much harder car to get as you all know but many here have cross interest with Black wing so I thought I’d mention
09-23-2023, 05:50 AM
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09-23-2023, 06:19 AM
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Short of a lawsuit, use everything at your disposal....the dealer may not like some bad social media press & cave into you or go as high as you can with the GM brass for some satisfaction
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09-23-2023, 08:08 AM
#130
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It's not similar at all. When you put down the earnest money you have a signed contract to purchase the house. There are ways out of that contract as well, but the OP doesn't have a contract for an actual car. He put down a deposit for a possible future allocation. If he doesn't have a signed purchase agreement attached to an allocation and an accepted customer sold order, the dealership doesn't have to sell him a vehicle at any price. They do have to give him his deposit back, that's it.
If he wanted to push it, the dealership could just simply give their allocations to other customers willing to pay the $50k ADM and string the OP along until the end of the model run then say sorry we don't have any more allocations.
It's as if you don't realize the dealership has a team of attorneys looking over everything they do & they know this practice is perfectly legal.
If he wanted to push it, the dealership could just simply give their allocations to other customers willing to pay the $50k ADM and string the OP along until the end of the model run then say sorry we don't have any more allocations.
It's as if you don't realize the dealership has a team of attorneys looking over everything they do & they know this practice is perfectly legal.
Just because it is legal does not make it right.
They hate bad google reviews. Those cost nothing. Make sure other consumers know of the issue.
D.
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09-23-2023, 09:23 AM
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09-23-2023, 09:54 AM
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I am not affiliated with any dealership, nor did I say it had to be a written contract. I've relayed my similar experiences in two separate states with two separate GM vehicle orders.
In my last post I simply stated that on my most recent vehicle purchases, I had a written signed document with the the dealerships when I provided a deposit & what those documents stated.
OP repeatedly used the word "contract" in his initial post put hasn't provided anything that shows what this contract was.
and I don't have a bias or anti-consumer stance, I stated from my personal experience, the potential consumer doesn't really have a lot of recourse. And that was from attorneys I dealt with & the attorney general in my particular situation. I choose not to do business with, nor waste my time with dealerships who operate in this way.
In my last post I simply stated that on my most recent vehicle purchases, I had a written signed document with the the dealerships when I provided a deposit & what those documents stated.
OP repeatedly used the word "contract" in his initial post put hasn't provided anything that shows what this contract was.
and I don't have a bias or anti-consumer stance, I stated from my personal experience, the potential consumer doesn't really have a lot of recourse. And that was from attorneys I dealt with & the attorney general in my particular situation. I choose not to do business with, nor waste my time with dealerships who operate in this way.
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09-23-2023, 10:08 PM
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09-25-2023, 01:25 PM
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So you’re laughing out loud, is that it?
Others are laughing out loud at you because you don’t know how to read. If you don’t have anything nice to say, better not to say it at all.
RBK is not the creator of this thread and therefore not the party you intend to denigrate.
Even if he were: one case has nothing to do with another. An agreement at MSRP for one car doesn’t bear any relevance to a deal on another car any more than it does to a deal to buy a truck load of toilets.
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09-25-2023, 01:27 PM
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LOL?
So you’re laughing out loud, is that it?
Others are laughing out loud at you because you don’t know how to read. If you don’t have anything nice to say, better not to say it at all.
RBK is not the creator of this thread and therefore not the party you intend to denigrate.
Even if he were: one case has nothing to do with another. An agreement at MSRP for one car doesn’t bear any relevance to a deal on another any more than it does on a deal to buy a truck load of toilets.
So you’re laughing out loud, is that it?
Others are laughing out loud at you because you don’t know how to read. If you don’t have anything nice to say, better not to say it at all.
RBK is not the creator of this thread and therefore not the party you intend to denigrate.
Even if he were: one case has nothing to do with another. An agreement at MSRP for one car doesn’t bear any relevance to a deal on another any more than it does on a deal to buy a truck load of toilets.