E-ray trumps Z06 in many ways
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The E ray is a joke. It costs basically the same as a Z06 and you get the plain Jane motor and electric battery and motors that will eventually need to be replaced if you are keeping the car long term. Really this is a grand sport that they are charging z06 money for, go ahead, buy one. Not for me. Can't wait for that FPC shriek and 8600 rpm redline! All hail the Z06....
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What kills it for me: Extra 300lbs, extra complexity and you are forced to take the Ceramic Brakes even if you don't want them.
McLaren would take weight out of the car to make up the additional weight with different materials and engineering. Chevy just said "screw it, its a hybrid that goes 0.3 sec faster to 60 than a base C8".
Disappointing.
McLaren would take weight out of the car to make up the additional weight with different materials and engineering. Chevy just said "screw it, its a hybrid that goes 0.3 sec faster to 60 than a base C8".
Disappointing.
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This is gonna be fun. The Z06 will only be fractionally faster on a race track, and we all know how many Corvette owners actually go to those, so it's a moot point. It'll be totally overshadowed by the ZR1 or Zora or whatever is coming next in another year or two. So about the only thing they'll really be able to brag about is their screamy engine.
Gonna be a lot of salty people by the end of this year.
Gonna be a lot of salty people by the end of this year.
2. I also own a Wrangler 4XE. All I can say to the Eray owners is GOOD LUCK. These complex drivetrain (syncing ICE and electric motors, battery cooling/heating) systems can be a nightmare.
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1. Price is not a consideration for me.
2. Gas mileage should not be anyone's consideration on a sports car.
3. Ok, but why not just get a Hellcat if that is the goal?
4. All weather usability...maybe...but electric cars don't do well in cold temps. Not sure how hybrids would do.
5. Agreed, is good.
6. Umm...more weight is always bad in a sports car. Will be slower. May make the ride 'softer' but if that is the goal, maybe a Lexus sportscar is better for you.
7. No Fs to give about hybrid status.
8. Ask a Viper owner if more torque was ever a really good thing. It's great but only if the computers can properly put it down to the ground.
9. It will sell out just as much as the Z06...in fact, will probably more easily be able to get the Z06.
10. Yes, good thing.
11. In a quarter mile maybe, but worse in every other possible performance metric.
12. Boring.
13. Eww.
14. The wheels are alright. A solid 8/10. Prefer both Z06 designs.
15. Tell that to 1975...it was the latest and greatest for a moment too.
2. Gas mileage should not be anyone's consideration on a sports car.
3. Ok, but why not just get a Hellcat if that is the goal?
4. All weather usability...maybe...but electric cars don't do well in cold temps. Not sure how hybrids would do.
5. Agreed, is good.
6. Umm...more weight is always bad in a sports car. Will be slower. May make the ride 'softer' but if that is the goal, maybe a Lexus sportscar is better for you.
7. No Fs to give about hybrid status.
8. Ask a Viper owner if more torque was ever a really good thing. It's great but only if the computers can properly put it down to the ground.
9. It will sell out just as much as the Z06...in fact, will probably more easily be able to get the Z06.
10. Yes, good thing.
11. In a quarter mile maybe, but worse in every other possible performance metric.
12. Boring.
13. Eww.
14. The wheels are alright. A solid 8/10. Prefer both Z06 designs.
15. Tell that to 1975...it was the latest and greatest for a moment too.
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Z06 is a modern Ferrari 458. It’s a true sports car (mid engined, high revving, rear wheel drive).
E-Ray has way more competition out there than the Z06 does, IMO. (Cruising car vs drivers car). I hope it does well, but I don’t really “get it”. I know why I want my Z06 (getting made today!!!). I have no idea why someone wants a Corvette that drives well in the snow. Feels like a solution in search of a problem.
still, love to see options for everyone with the C8’s.
E-Ray has way more competition out there than the Z06 does, IMO. (Cruising car vs drivers car). I hope it does well, but I don’t really “get it”. I know why I want my Z06 (getting made today!!!). I have no idea why someone wants a Corvette that drives well in the snow. Feels like a solution in search of a problem.
still, love to see options for everyone with the C8’s.
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It is inevitable that we'll all be in an electric vehicle at some point (about to turn 60) if not in my lifetime then in my daughter's lifetime. But I want the ICE of the Z06. Just not interested in an electric sports car from GM or the South African or whomever.
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Nobody thinks this is a huge rip off?
I know the battery is cooled and all, but that's like $500 for a 2kwh lithium battery.
3 grand for a little motor? 5 maybe?
Big alternator $500
3 Grand for wide body kit?
You can get a whole Model 3 for 40 grand over the C8 base cost. (102 - 62 = 40)
I don't get the $102 grand starting price.
I know the battery is cooled and all, but that's like $500 for a 2kwh lithium battery.
3 grand for a little motor? 5 maybe?
Big alternator $500
3 Grand for wide body kit?
You can get a whole Model 3 for 40 grand over the C8 base cost. (102 - 62 = 40)
I don't get the $102 grand starting price.
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I'm trying, did it work?
No. Specs have been released on the E-ray, so the items I listed are factual.
As I.
This!
(The E-ray has the LT2)
Good for you, I'm still in low 500.
We do know, specs have been released. More torque (470 + 125), few grand cheaper (has CCB as standard equipment and no GG tax).
2023 - Z06
2024 - E-ray
2025 - ZR1
E-ray is not a joke. It is a stellar performer. My personal preference is the one with the LT6.
No. Specs have been released on the E-ray, so the items I listed are factual.
As I.
After watching the promo and seeing the car, it really makes sense for many people, especially cold weather buyers. .
I will be curious to see as more and more Z06's are delivered, if those who wait too long for a Z06 might find themselves having easier access to the Hybrid..
The joke may be on those paying so much for the Z06, only to find themselves being passed on the road by the hybrid.
Speaking for myself, if the hybrid comes out before my Z06 order, I might make the switch. I wonder who else might?
Curious, will the hybrid also have the flat plan motor?
I will be curious to see as more and more Z06's are delivered, if those who wait too long for a Z06 might find themselves having easier access to the Hybrid..
The joke may be on those paying so much for the Z06, only to find themselves being passed on the road by the hybrid.
Speaking for myself, if the hybrid comes out before my Z06 order, I might make the switch. I wonder who else might?
Curious, will the hybrid also have the flat plan motor?
(The E-ray has the LT2)
We don't really know yet. But, if the E Ray is a better street performer, i.e., more torque, and comes in say 20K cheaper than the Z with similar trim levels, GM won't be able to make enough of them to satisfy the demand. The E Ray would probably get me to bite even with the rear engine design and lack of a manual. .
2023 - Z06
2024 - E-ray
2025 - ZR1
The E ray is a joke. It costs basically the same as a Z06 and you get the plain Jane motor and electric battery and motors that will eventually need to be replaced if you are keeping the car long term. Really this is a grand sport that they are charging z06 money for, go ahead, buy one. Not for me. Can't wait for that FPC shriek and 8600 rpm redline! All hail the Z06....
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A LOT of people want ICE or hybrids. I certainly do not want an all electric car. No way. We just bought my wife a Hybrid SUV. It gets great MPG but also the SECURITY of 550 mile range and we can plan our trips for efficiency and on the fly based on how we are feeling, not where the charging stations are. We just went to Taos over Christmas break and there were LOOOOONG stretches without any gas stations, any towns, anything. And it was -25 degrees with windchill. I would NEVER trust my families security and life with an electric appliance.
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Nobody thinks this is a huge rip off?
I know the battery is cooled and all, but that's like $500 for a 2kwh lithium battery.
3 grand for a little motor? 5 maybe?
Big alternator $500
3 Grand for wide body kit?
You can get a whole Model 3 for 40 grand over the C8 base cost. (102 - 62 = 40)
I don't get the $102 grand starting price.
I know the battery is cooled and all, but that's like $500 for a 2kwh lithium battery.
3 grand for a little motor? 5 maybe?
Big alternator $500
3 Grand for wide body kit?
You can get a whole Model 3 for 40 grand over the C8 base cost. (102 - 62 = 40)
I don't get the $102 grand starting price.
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The C8 was originally designed to store batteries in the tunnel, have place for an electric motor up front with driveshafts. The E-ray is a serious contender and a lot of people will be interested. GM did good with this one, as well as with the Z06.
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In terms of the Eray being faster than a Z06. That is a very misleading statement. In certain conditions it might be but in the real world it won't be. In fact, it will be slower than a base C8 sometimes. Why? Because it all depends on the charge of the battery which is very dynamic in a hybrid. They are small batteries that drain very quickly (within seconds or minutes) and charge quickly as well. So if you are on a track for instance, sometimes when you press the throttle, you get all 655 horsepower. Great! But, MANY times, you will only get 495 HP.... but with added 300 lbs, it will be noticeably slower than the base C8. And it might be a bit dangerous on the track if you expect power that isn't there. It's cool there is no doubt. But it has its issues... and it's only faster in certain conditions and when its not in those conditions (which will be a significant amount of time), it will be not only slower than a Z06 but slower than a base C8. Remove the hype and welcome reality.
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In terms of the Eray being faster than a Z06. That is a very misleading statement. In certain conditions it might be but in the real world it won't be. In fact, it will be slower than a base C8 sometimes. Why? Because it all depends on the charge of the battery which is very dynamic in a hybrid. They are small batteries that drain very quickly (within seconds or minutes) and charge quickly as well. So if you are on a track for instance, sometimes when you press the throttle, you get all 655 horsepower. Great! But, MANY times, you will only get 495 HP.... but with added 300 lbs, it will be noticeably slower than the base C8. And it might be a bit dangerous on the track if you expect power that isn't there. It's cool there is no doubt. But it has its issues... and it's only faster in certain conditions and when its not in those conditions (which will be a significant amount of time), it will be not only slower than a Z06 but slower than a base C8. Remove the hype and welcome reality.
https://www.hagerty.com/media/new-ca...like-no-other/
Highly doubt a base C8 can get a sniff.
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The Eray is a performance "upgrade" to the base C8.
The Z06 is more.
If you want a car that be quiet and save gas for your DD, great. But it costs you TWENTY GRAND for that privilege, plus 300 pounds.
If you want drama, its not going to cut it. I dare anyone to tell the difference 0-60 2.6 vs 2.9.
And I'm not sure I can get that sound of the electric motor out of my head. I sure hope you can turn it off if you want to.
This is one car I would really like to test drive before buying. Maybe rent it for a weekend. Too many issues to worry about. I have no doubts about the Z06,
The Z06 is more.
If you want a car that be quiet and save gas for your DD, great. But it costs you TWENTY GRAND for that privilege, plus 300 pounds.
If you want drama, its not going to cut it. I dare anyone to tell the difference 0-60 2.6 vs 2.9.
And I'm not sure I can get that sound of the electric motor out of my head. I sure hope you can turn it off if you want to.
This is one car I would really like to test drive before buying. Maybe rent it for a weekend. Too many issues to worry about. I have no doubts about the Z06,
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1. Clearly you have never driven a C8 Z06. I'm coming from a McLaren 720s, and I enjoy my Z06 more. The engine provides THAT level of enjoyment.
2. I also own a Wrangler 4XE. All I can say to the Eray owners is GOOD LUCK. These complex drivetrain (syncing ICE and electric motors, battery cooling/heating) systems can be a nightmare.
2. I also own a Wrangler 4XE. All I can say to the Eray owners is GOOD LUCK. These complex drivetrain (syncing ICE and electric motors, battery cooling/heating) systems can be a nightmare.
2. the problem is you have a Wrangler 4Xe. My BWW 330e has been flawless for 11k mi & if I were to have any issues, I'll take BMW service over Jeep service any day of the week. fwiw - I've owned Jeeps for the past 29 years & my wife currently owns a '23 GC Summit. Based on my ownership I wouldn't even look twice at the 4Xe . That being said, this is GM, and I fully expect this car to have it's issues.
I see no reason for the 300lb weight increase in this car, just seems ridiculous. With each new release I'm more content with the Corvette I already own.