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like some are saying, the issue is the typical timeline:
1) Dealer gets allocation
2) dealer contacts customer next in line
3) customer builds out order
4) order is placed in system and immediately matched to one of the allocations
Not many dealers are willing to:
1) dealer contacts customer(s?) next in line
2) customer build out order
3) order sits in the system until (if) a dealer gets an allocation
4) order is matched with the allocation
I agree with you but it is pretty much out of GM's hands - to a degree. GM controls the allocation process, so they could cut dealers out, but they can't control what a dealer does after they receive their allocation. I recently visited 2 dealers, one of which ordered dealer stock for all three of their allocations and the other ordered one of three. Read my post #8 above. If GM does actually prioritize build dates for retail sold vehicles over dealer stock ones, then that will send a message to the dealers. That is something over which GM has control. The dealer I mentioned above with 3 dealer stock orders does not yet have build dates for any of the three.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but GM could control this process by limiting orders to sold vehicles, at least for the near term. Grant the allocations to the dealers on whatever basis GM has established for this vehicle, but not accept the order for production unless it is a customer sold order. Not something they would normally want to do, as they want dealers to stock vehicles, but in this particular situation of there being customer deposits in place with dealers for something like 5 years of production, it seems like the way it should be handled.
Last edited by GlennSullivan; 01-04-2023 at 03:44 PM.
These are orders sold to a person. The dealerships owners spouse, brother, sister or some close friend. Dealerships here in SC (80ish per yr) have been doing that on all C8 since they came out. They have a Z06 3LZ,HTC in their show room right now and are asking $99999.99 over MSRP. Purchase by some one like I said above.
These are orders sold to a person. The dealerships owners spouse, brother, sister or some close friend. Dealerships here in SC (80ish per yr) have been doing that on all C8 since they came out. They have a Z06 3LZ,HTC in their show room right now and are asking $99999.99 over MSRP. Purchase by some one like I said above.
Ok, but the moment GM sees a dealership do this they could stop allocations of said vehicle from being given to that dealership. That dealership still gets plenty of trucks, cars and suvs so it's not against any written policies. GM could stop this if they wanted.
My sons both worked at a Nissan dealership when the new Z came out last year. The sales manager went around the dealership and asked employees if they could use their names to place "fake" customer orders. All dealers do it and I find it despicable.
My sons both worked at a Nissan dealership when the new Z came out last year. The sales manager went around the dealership and asked employees if they could use their names to place "fake" customer orders. All dealers do it and I find it despicable.
Well there is the dealer work-around to circumvent my grand "customer sold orders only" solution. It would be interesting if GM cross referenced customer sold orders and dealership employees, I wonder how many matches.
Well there is the dealer work-around to circumvent my grand "customer sold orders only" solution. It would be interesting if GM cross referenced customer sold orders and dealership employees, I wonder how many matches.
Jeep does it & dealers get fined if they sell sold orders to anyone other than the person who orders it. It won't happen on one (I backed out of a '22 Jeep order because it was just taking way too long), but if there is a pattern Jeep will fine them quite a bit. GM could do the same, or maybe they just don't care.
Was there yesterday and they have the Red Mist and Orange one. They had a closed bidding process and apparently the highest offer was 60K one MSRP and was not accepted. They have stopped the bidding process for the moment my guess is they want closer to 100K over MSRP.
Was there yesterday and they have the Red Mist and Orange one. They had a closed bidding process and apparently the highest offer was 60K one MSRP and was not accepted. They have stopped the bidding process for the moment my guess is they want closer to 100K over MSRP.
Was there yesterday and they have the Red Mist and Orange one. They had a closed bidding process and apparently the highest offer was 60K one MSRP and was not accepted. They have stopped the bidding process for the moment my guess is they want closer to 100K over MSRP.
Was there yesterday and they have the Red Mist and Orange one. They had a closed bidding process and apparently the highest offer was 60K one MSRP and was not accepted. They have stopped the bidding process for the moment my guess is they want closer to 100K over MSRP.
The greed level is off the charts when $60k over ain’t enough for them. Scumbags gonna scumbag.
01-04-2023, 12:15 PM
