combatninja

You are out of your mind if you don't think a current Gen Turbo S would be faster around any track than a Z06.

Rob97rr

GT3 RS sure, but the regular Turbo S? Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always had the impression that the Turbo S is more of a GT car. Comfortable, blisteringly fast, and fun to drive on a track, but not really built for laptimes.

But I suppose you want me to go do some actual research on 992 T-S lap times before I keep talking out of my ***, right??

No worries, I should have started by doing that anyways.

Unfortunately, and no matter what I find on my "journey" across the inter-webs... even if you guys are right, we still won't know definitively until we see actual Z06/Z07 lap times to compare those Porsche numbers to. Lord knows when that's going to be.. .

-Rob

Vetter_Master

You'd be surprised how much more capable a Turbo S is. See video below. Remember, Turbo S come with shitty Pirelli tires that do not come close to the Cup2 tires GT3 come with or the Cup2 R tires Z07 comes with. If you gave Turbo S the Cup 2 R tires from GT3, I think the delta would be even wider. Turbo S posted a lap time that is 1 or 1.5 seconds off of GT3 in VIR with the same crappy tires and everyone was shocked and pretty much commented on how/why Porsche doesn't sell the Turbo S with the same tires (well now we know why lol).

Turbo S is about 5.5-6 seconds faster than Ford GT to 170 mph which we now know is faster than the Z06. So Turbo S vs Z06 would not even be a fair comparison (even with the tire disadvantage).

Vetter_Master

Apples to Apples comparison : For those people who were not on a waiting list, I dont see anyone in this market paying for less than 50k over MSRP for any version of Z06. The same is/was true for GT3 or Turbo S last summer. There were those who were on waitlists for GT3 or Turbo S for a year or two who got their car at MSRP the same way those people will get their C8 Z06 for MSRP. We know Z06 will command very similar ADM to those highly sought after Porsche models. Apples to Apples, you are going to be about $30-40k off from a GT3 and perhaps $50-60k off from a Turbo S. People who buy these cars for those prices don't really care about $40 or $50k. So I dont think either of these cars are "bargain" w.r.t. to each other. They might be bargain w.r.t. a car like McLaren Senna or Ford GT which cost 5 or 7x more but we have to be fair now. Those days of Z06 costing $80k and being a bargain vs a $180k GT3 at less than half the price are over. We are sort of our own enemy now by creating such a hyped Z06, we elevated its price by ADMs as well as increased MSRP.

As far Turbo S vs Mclaren, you are confusing "quicker" with "faster". 720S will always be faster than Turbo S as it will trap much higher speeds at 1/4 mile. TTS will be quicker, i.e. it will cross the line first. But in a real world scenario, 720S will take all the highway races. TTS really is good from a dig. Its also a much easier car to live with and put the power down. 720S can be very dangerous in colder temperatures.

larryfdx

It's too bad the Corvette team didn't consult with the Cadillac Blackwing engineers. Apparently, the Blackwings have very communicative steering.

SharkDiverZ06

The build on my Z will only be $110k...$105 net after the $5k rebate, compared to a similarly spec'd Z51 at $78k. Given the Zs relative exclusivity when compared to the SR, and the fact it should hold it's value better than the SR, I think most would agree that spending an additional $27k to get the Z is fully warranted.

Rob97rr

Yup. Not arguing the apples to apples price & ADM comparisons. And I also agree with your observation that the delta between the "total" out the door price of the C8 Z compared to the GT3 and Turbo S will be roughly 30 to 40k, and 50 to 60k respectively. In my original post I was simply disputing the implication that the Z06 was going to cost nearly 300k to buy. (IE: almost same price as a new 720S)

My point was more, that even if they reach an average ADM of 50k, the average out the door price of a Z06 will ultimately be somewhere in the 180 to 230k range, depending on options.

And for the record, you didn't discern between "quicker" and "faster" in your original comment either, you only used the word "annihilate". So, from my perspective, what happens when racing from a dig was still fair game.

-Rob

harley2

Z would have been a bargain if we could own it for $120k in that spec with CF wheels and Z07 package. With markups now pushing it to $300k, would you rather have a Z06 or a brand new 720S (Mclarens have no dealer markups)?[/QUOTE]

most markups will Not push the Z06 to 300k! The starting price for 720s is 300k!
I believe most marks will be under 50k! Yes there will be a few that go to 100k!
And all this depends on how many Z06’s are built!
Think i saw review that the 720 dosent ride that nice for like daily driving?
it’s a beautiful car and if funds were unlimited I’d get the Mac!
but I’ve had corvettes for over 50k miles with No maintenance except basic,oil/tires!

i down for the Z, Non Z07, shoukd have sometime in Feb!

AzDave47

harley 2, I hope to get mine abut mid-February.

JABCAT

Yeah that's not bad, but the huge increase for Z07 and the additional mark up for the interior option pkgs is just a money grab. To your point a $180k Z07 is ridiculous compared to a $109k 1LZ.

Vetter_Master

But the only way to get the car that the lap times are achievable with is to buy the Z07 package, CF wheels with Cup2R tires and CCBs. I dont think that car can be had for $109k.

JABCAT

A bare bones Z07 will be ~ $127k then add the CF wheels for another $10k. So, yeah a Z07 can't be had for anywhere near $109k.

C6Z06C6

It's not

Vetter_Master

Then how come its beating the 10.5 second car here?

JamesTH

Who says its not?

The 2017 ran a 10.8 back in the day. Someone has yet to test the new one on a prepped drag strip since it got the upgrades and power boost in 2020.

We didn't run numbers (pointless on that surface) but we did run a 2018 vs the 2022 Ford GT that same day and the 2022 beat the 2018 by multiple car lengths.

meadowz06

Friend has a new Ford GT, and it is awesome. But me still thinks my base 22 C8 is the performance bargain of the century. Light and fast!

PacerX

Love your videos. Truly do. Best car content on the internet, bar none.

Quick question...

Why not show the entire run between the Z06 and the 458? This isn't some super lame "Ferrari won't let us" nonsense, is it?

Savoy2001

TH. Good stuff as always. Please do a video comparison. On track drag roll etc of a c7z06/zr1 vs the c8 z06. Give is an honest assessment of both cars head. Which no one seems to want to do.

Aozora

I do like TH but well..If I wanted a one trick pony drag queen, I’d get a Tesla or a Dodge.

It’s really a shame Ford puts the same twin turbo motor in their flagship sports car as my grocery getter though, as reliable as it is.
If you were to swap the 3.5L Ecoboost for the LT6 you would truly have a masterpiece of a car.

All these drag races against half million dollar or greater supercars have been..entertaining, but we all know the place where the Z06 shines is not on a drag strip it just happens to do that fairly well due to its superior traction, gearing and power.

Ill never be able to afford either of those vehicles.
How’s about we see how she does against similarly priced options from Porsche, (what’s that ..like a base 911 with no options or a loaded Boxter S?) or perhaps against cars that I may be cross shopping and not unattainable garage ornaments also, not just in a straight line would be nice.

JamesTH

hey, so yeah this one didn’t involve Ferrari at all because it was an owner car. The real reason is much more boring. We had a day to film All this and with the winter sunset being so early we ran out of time. The Ferrari vs z06 was impromptu and we didn’t even know we had one camera rolling. But we realized in post production that people would have wanted to see it so we just kinda showed what we had. Sorry about that.

our finish line cameras are manned and at that point we’d deconstructed the setup. As far as I know, it was a photo finish between the two, which on that surface might as well be a draw.

im still amazed that the video came together at all. Our flight was delayed on the way in so we all slept about 4-5 hours and not all our team could make the trip. So we were understaffed and underslept all for a single day shoot. There was only four of us including Thomas and me. Very proud of this one considering, the team did great!