C8 Z06 Z07 top speed announced
#41
Racer
So explain to me this.
New GT3RS with downforce of 1900 lbs and F1 racing technology maximizing gluing the car to the tarmac at the expense of VMAX has a top speed of 184. And Z07 can only get to 5 mph more and has 2.5 times less downforce? Something is very wrong (and inefficient) here. Base GT3 with a lot more downforce (1000 lbs at 186 mph) has a top speed of 198 mph, higher than even the base Z06.
New GT3RS with downforce of 1900 lbs and F1 racing technology maximizing gluing the car to the tarmac at the expense of VMAX has a top speed of 184. And Z07 can only get to 5 mph more and has 2.5 times less downforce? Something is very wrong (and inefficient) here. Base GT3 with a lot more downforce (1000 lbs at 186 mph) has a top speed of 198 mph, higher than even the base Z06.
#42
Could this be a gearing issue?
I'm not an engineer by any stretch, but the "less than ideal" gearing from 4-8... since they are all overdrives.. could that not be providing enough torque to the wheels to overcome the aero drag and hit a higher top speed?
Other than the cars aero being a total mess (unlikely I think), this seems to be the only explanation that my simple mind can come up with.
I'm not an engineer by any stretch, but the "less than ideal" gearing from 4-8... since they are all overdrives.. could that not be providing enough torque to the wheels to overcome the aero drag and hit a higher top speed?
Other than the cars aero being a total mess (unlikely I think), this seems to be the only explanation that my simple mind can come up with.
The following users liked this post:
AustinVetter (08-31-2022)
The following 6 users liked this post by tyree4834:
C6Z06C6 (08-31-2022),
CorvetteBrent (09-01-2022),
extermin8r (08-31-2022),
kratedisease (08-31-2022),
Tactical-Speed (08-31-2022),
and 1 others liked this post.
#44
I'm just here cuz I like the dudes comparing top speed runs
The following 2 users liked this post by extermin8r:
Ron78Z&66Vette (09-15-2022),
Torque Obsessed (09-01-2022)
The following 9 users liked this post by sandcracker21:
AustinVetter (08-31-2022),
C6Z06C6 (08-31-2022),
CorvetteBrent (09-01-2022),
extermin8r (08-31-2022),
kratedisease (08-31-2022),
and 4 others liked this post.
#46
The desperation in the Z06 haters is becoming frantic and desperate.
Just checked my position on the list and it's not budging.
This tells me the Porsche salesman and the haters have to do a much better job because what they are doing now it's not working.
Either that OR it is true that the folks with money have abandoned the corvette forum and just about nobody reads it anymore.
Please do a better job and improve my list position.
Thanks.
Just checked my position on the list and it's not budging.
This tells me the Porsche salesman and the haters have to do a much better job because what they are doing now it's not working.
Either that OR it is true that the folks with money have abandoned the corvette forum and just about nobody reads it anymore.
Please do a better job and improve my list position.
Thanks.
The following 4 users liked this post by Telepierre:
extermin8r (08-31-2022),
raleona (08-31-2022),
SharkDiverZ06 (09-01-2022),
Torque Obsessed (09-01-2022)
#47
Race Director
Member Since: Nov 2017
Location: Prosper TX/Austin TX
Posts: 10,973
Received 8,899 Likes
on
4,285 Posts
2020 C6 of the Year Winner - Modified
The desperation in the Z06 haters is becoming frantic and desperate.
Just checked my position on the list and it's not budging.
This tells me the Porsche salesman and the haters have to do a much better job because what they are doing now it's not working.
Either that OR it is true that the folks with money have abandoned the corvette forum and just about nobody reads it anymore.
Please do a better job and improve my list position.
Thanks.
Just checked my position on the list and it's not budging.
This tells me the Porsche salesman and the haters have to do a much better job because what they are doing now it's not working.
Either that OR it is true that the folks with money have abandoned the corvette forum and just about nobody reads it anymore.
Please do a better job and improve my list position.
Thanks.
The following 3 users liked this post by JABCAT:
#48
Safety Car
Or that people with the money don't want to pay more than double the cost of the base car for something that performs marginally better, if at all. In reality, the best play here if one just has to have a Z06 is to buy the lowest option 1LZ. Anything else is a waste of $.
Last edited by Fore58; 08-31-2022 at 06:51 AM.
#49
Safety Car
Member Since: Aug 2009
Location: Chester County Pennsylvania
Posts: 4,999
Received 794 Likes
on
538 Posts
2020 C5 of the Year Finalist - Unmodified
Honestly, I love the looks of the C8 Z06, however I am starting to think the more cost conscience path would be to buy a 2023 Z51 and have a reputable shop twin turbo it with new DCT clutches and associated driveline enhancements and still be under the cost of a new Z06 (assuming the high ADM’s) with more HP.
The following 3 users liked this post by Too-Fast:
#50
Yea that option is/has always been available to Corvette enthusiast but there are a bunch of compromises that should be considered.
It's not all peaches and cream.
It's not all peaches and cream.
Last edited by dar02081961; 08-31-2022 at 02:43 PM.
The following users liked this post:
2cnd Chance (08-31-2022)
#51
195 - fast enough. I can't forget the images of the Mercedes flying at Le Mans years ago. I wonder if that has ever happened in a road car? I am sure that it has just don't know of an incident.
The Mercedes took to the air at 186, but they were purpose built race cars that depended on significant downforce from diffusers but God help you if air gets between your car and the road surface and disturbs the downforce.
The Mercedes took to the air at 186, but they were purpose built race cars that depended on significant downforce from diffusers but God help you if air gets between your car and the road surface and disturbs the downforce.
#52
Drifting
Honestly, I love the looks of the C8 Z06, however I am starting to think the more cost conscience path would be to buy a 2023 Z51 and have a reputable shop twin turbo it with new DCT clutches and associated driveline enhancements and still be under the cost of a new Z06 (assuming the high ADM’s) with more HP.
#53
Race Director
Member Since: Nov 2017
Location: Prosper TX/Austin TX
Posts: 10,973
Received 8,899 Likes
on
4,285 Posts
2020 C6 of the Year Winner - Modified
The Callaway supercharger pkg will probably be ~$20-25k. Now if you opt for all their aero, wheels, etc., you're going to be looking around $50k. So buy a $70k Stingray, send it to Callaway & you'll most likely have a car with better performance for a bunch less $ & full warranty.
The following 2 users liked this post by JABCAT:
kratedisease (09-01-2022),
Torque Obsessed (09-01-2022)
#54
Race Director
Cadillac lists the top speed of the CT5 Blackwing at 200MPH...How can the base Z06 be slower?
Top speed is just for bragging, but this doesn't seem right.
Top speed is just for bragging, but this doesn't seem right.
The following 3 users liked this post by jimmyb:
#55
#56
Definitely disappointed again. My enthusiasm for the car is not what it was last Oct at the reveal. It may not be a "numbers car" but it *SHOULD* be a numbers car given the hype, the engine, the C8R pedigree, the performance of the base C8 and the outrageous price they are demanding. I would have never thought in a million years it was not 205 or more. My hunch is the dreadfully tall gearing starting at 4 and choking at 5 and beyond and perhaps the increased drag due to all those radiators and intake sizes?
I still believe it will be a fun car but from what we are learning, the performance is not matching the price increase.
I still believe it will be a fun car but from what we are learning, the performance is not matching the price increase.
The following 5 users liked this post by AustinVetter:
2cnd Chance (08-31-2022),
C6Z06C6 (09-02-2022),
JockItch (08-31-2022),
kratedisease (09-01-2022),
zland (09-17-2022)
#57
Safety Car
Member Since: Sep 2004
Location: Western Chicago Suburbs
Posts: 4,308
Received 5,333 Likes
on
1,987 Posts
Definitely disappointed again. My enthusiasm for the car is not what it was last Oct at the reveal. It may not be a "numbers car" but it *SHOULD* be a numbers car given the hype, the engine, the C8R pedigree, the performance of the base C8 and the outrageous price they are demanding. I would have never thought in a million years it was not 205 or more. My hunch is the dreadfully tall gearing starting at 4 and choking at 5 and beyond and perhaps the increased drag due to all those radiators and intake sizes?
I still believe it will be a fun car but from what we are learning, the performance is not matching the price increase.
I still believe it will be a fun car but from what we are learning, the performance is not matching the price increase.
I’m most curious to see what acceleration is like once you hit 4th… if that’s an issue no doubt I’ll be significantly more disappointed than these rather lackluster top speed numbers.
The following users liked this post:
AustinVetter (08-31-2022)
#58
Burning Brakes
Just doesn't make sense, how can the gears be so tall AND the top speed so low? Nearly 200 more hp than base C8 for extra 1 mph? Not to mention +$40k and probably 8-10 less mpg. Ferrari 458 which everyone wants as the benchmark for this car did 202 mph with 562hp 13 years ago.
It absolutely should do 200mph. Hoping whatever is reporting 195 is fake news.
It absolutely should do 200mph. Hoping whatever is reporting 195 is fake news.
The following users liked this post:
AustinVetter (08-31-2022)
#59
I had similar thoughts after we learned the 195mph top speed was for the base Z06 instead. Beyond gearing and the Z07 aero, the Z06 with its larger front and side intakes must produce a lot of drag. I don’t care about top speed, but the numbers don’t make a lot of sense.
I’m most curious to see what acceleration is like once you hit 4th… if that’s an issue no doubt I’ll be significantly more disappointed than these rather lackluster top speed numbers.
I’m most curious to see what acceleration is like once you hit 4th… if that’s an issue no doubt I’ll be significantly more disappointed than these rather lackluster top speed numbers.
The following 5 users liked this post by AustinVetter:
JockItch (09-01-2022),
kratedisease (09-01-2022),
Michael A (09-01-2022),
Torque Obsessed (09-01-2022),
Zaro Tundov (09-01-2022)
#60
I used to have a street stock car in NASCAR (small time) that I would set up for my friend who drove. You block off the radiator intake where you can to gain MPH at the expense of cooling the engine. With the Z06, the size of those side intakes are massive and *may* act as parachutes. The openings on the front of the car are not small either. It *could* be that the engineers chose to err on the side of caution and provide more than adequate cooling even thought they knew it would take a pretty big hit on top speed. IF that is the case, you can't really blame them and this might be why it was stated that this isn't a numbers car.
The following 3 users liked this post by UnhandledException: