$174,000 for Z07 w/ CF Wheels vs Porsche Pricing
08-04-2022, 11:13 AM
#101
Race Director
^^^
Let's face it...we (old line Corvette owners) were used to paying BELOW MSRP for our cars. I have had 6 new Corvettes now. I paid MSRP for 2 of them and got SUBSTANTIAL discounts on the other 4.
So, we have this double edged sword of NO discounts and possible ADM's on ANY C8 which makes the C8 look REALLY expensive.
And that's how a free market works...sometimes (most times) you win...and sometimes you PAY for the honor, now we know how Ferrari buyers feel!!!
Let's face it...we (old line Corvette owners) were used to paying BELOW MSRP for our cars. I have had 6 new Corvettes now. I paid MSRP for 2 of them and got SUBSTANTIAL discounts on the other 4.
So, we have this double edged sword of NO discounts and possible ADM's on ANY C8 which makes the C8 look REALLY expensive.
And that's how a free market works...sometimes (most times) you win...and sometimes you PAY for the honor, now we know how Ferrari buyers feel!!!
08-04-2022, 12:09 PM
#102
Drifting
Thread Starter
A fully loaded C7 Z06 in its last year of production was $107,000. That had every option checked with the exception of accessories like custom VIN plate or engine build experience. A fully loaded C8 Z06 is $190,000. Thats an increase of 80+% in 3 years. But the newer car isnt 80% better.
Things like competition seats or CF roof went up 50% in price in 3 years. Z07 package went from $12,000 to $21,000. Stitching was free of charge now its an add-on. 3LZ was a $7995 option now its $14,000. % wise, the options went anywhere from 50% to 80%. Inflation doesnt explain this and the car you are getting isnt 80% better in performance.
C7 ZR1 with much more CF and exclusivity and better performance was $140,000. 35-40% less than C8 Z06. Less than 3,000 was produced and it came in manual.
Its a bit absurd to pay that kind of coin for a mass produced corvette. At the end of the C8 run, there will be at least 40,000 Z06s.
08-04-2022, 12:22 PM
#103
Your math is a bit off. $60,000 C8’s 50% plus 10% more is $99,000. Car is $110,000 with gas guzzler tax (which C8 includes in its price).
A fully loaded C7 Z06 in its last year of production was $107,000. That had every option checked with the exception of accessories like custom VIN plate or engine build experience. A fully loaded C8 Z06 is $190,000. Thats an increase of 80+% in 3 years. But the newer car isnt 80% better.
Things like competition seats or CF roof went up 50% in price in 3 years. Z07 package went from $12,000 to $21,000. Stitching was free of charge now its an add-on. 3LZ was a $7995 option now its $14,000. % wise, the options went anywhere from 50% to 80%. Inflation doesnt explain this and the car you are getting isnt 80% better in performance.
C7 ZR1 with much more CF and exclusivity and better performance was $140,000. 35-40% less than C8 Z06. Less than 3,000 was produced and it came in manual.
Its a bit absurd to pay that kind of coin for a mass produced corvette. At the end of the C8 run, there will be at least 40,000 Z06s.
A fully loaded C7 Z06 in its last year of production was $107,000. That had every option checked with the exception of accessories like custom VIN plate or engine build experience. A fully loaded C8 Z06 is $190,000. Thats an increase of 80+% in 3 years. But the newer car isnt 80% better.
Things like competition seats or CF roof went up 50% in price in 3 years. Z07 package went from $12,000 to $21,000. Stitching was free of charge now its an add-on. 3LZ was a $7995 option now its $14,000. % wise, the options went anywhere from 50% to 80%. Inflation doesnt explain this and the car you are getting isnt 80% better in performance.
C7 ZR1 with much more CF and exclusivity and better performance was $140,000. 35-40% less than C8 Z06. Less than 3,000 was produced and it came in manual.
Its a bit absurd to pay that kind of coin for a mass produced corvette. At the end of the C8 run, there will be at least 40,000 Z06s.
Quit exaggerating and being such a Porsche Fanboy! The Kool-Aid has seeped too much into your brain. Porsche rapes its customers and that's fine?? Get another hobby instead posting ad nauseam hate on the car.
08-04-2022, 12:57 PM
#104
Melting Slicks
The "40,000" ZO6 production number on the C8 platform is completely a guess....
And not a good one. Im thinking it may be rare soon.
And not a good one. Im thinking it may be rare soon.
08-04-2022, 01:49 PM
#105
Racer
08-04-2022, 02:29 PM
#106
Burning Brakes
Absolutely disagree with this statement. Some pay MSRP - but usually only after first buying multiple other vehicles from a dealership. Customers pleading for a Porsche GT car allocation as they crawl around on their hands & knees - whilst also kissing a dealer's posterior region - is just laughable.
08-04-2022, 02:36 PM
#107
Race Director
Your math is a bit off. $60,000 C8’s 50% plus 10% more is $99,000. Car is $110,000 with gas guzzler tax (which C8 includes in its price).
A fully loaded C7 Z06 in its last year of production was $107,000. That had every option checked with the exception of accessories like custom VIN plate or engine build experience. A fully loaded C8 Z06 is $190,000. Thats an increase of 80+% in 3 years. But the newer car isnt 80% better.
Things like competition seats or CF roof went up 50% in price in 3 years. Z07 package went from $12,000 to $21,000. Stitching was free of charge now its an add-on. 3LZ was a $7995 option now its $14,000. % wise, the options went anywhere from 50% to 80%. Inflation doesnt explain this and the car you are getting isnt 80% better in performance.
C7 ZR1 with much more CF and exclusivity and better performance was $140,000. 35-40% less than C8 Z06. Less than 3,000 was produced and it came in manual.
Its a bit absurd to pay that kind of coin for a mass produced corvette. At the end of the C8 run, there will be at least 40,000 Z06s.
A fully loaded C7 Z06 in its last year of production was $107,000. That had every option checked with the exception of accessories like custom VIN plate or engine build experience. A fully loaded C8 Z06 is $190,000. Thats an increase of 80+% in 3 years. But the newer car isnt 80% better.
Things like competition seats or CF roof went up 50% in price in 3 years. Z07 package went from $12,000 to $21,000. Stitching was free of charge now its an add-on. 3LZ was a $7995 option now its $14,000. % wise, the options went anywhere from 50% to 80%. Inflation doesnt explain this and the car you are getting isnt 80% better in performance.
C7 ZR1 with much more CF and exclusivity and better performance was $140,000. 35-40% less than C8 Z06. Less than 3,000 was produced and it came in manual.
Its a bit absurd to pay that kind of coin for a mass produced corvette. At the end of the C8 run, there will be at least 40,000 Z06s.
And how do you know how much better (or worse) the C8 Z06 is than the C7 Z06? We know you have not driven the C8 Z06.
In closing, for the 4th time...How did you get a C8 Z06 "with performance options only" spec'd out to $174K. That is absolutely NOT even close.
Corvette Z06 Coupe 1LZ: $106,395 (includes destination)
Z07 Package: $8,995
Painted Aero $8,495
Painted CF Wheels: $9,995
Total: $133,880 (does not include gas guzzler tax amount since that is unknown)
OR if you want exposed Carbon Fiber
Corvette Z06 Coupe 1LZ: $106,395 (includes destination)
Z07 Package: $8,995
Exposed CF Aero: $10,495
Exposed CF wheels: $11,995
Total: $137,880 (does not include gas guzzler tax amount since that is unknown)
2LZ with Painted CF, the price is $143,080
2LZ with Exposed CF, the price is $147,080
3LZ with Painted CF, the price is $147,730
3LZ with Exposed CF, the price is $151,730
Still a far cry from $174,000
WHERE DID $174,000 come from?????
Last edited by jimmyb; 08-04-2022 at 02:49 PM.
08-04-2022, 02:44 PM
#108
Le Mans Master
Well, the "C8" (Stingray, I assume you're talking about) does NOT have a GG tax...
And how do you know how much better (or worse) the C8 Z06 is than the C7 Z06? We know you have not driven the C8 Z06.
In closing, for the 4th time...How did you get a C8 Z06 "with performance options only" spec'd out to $174K. That is absolutely NOT even close.
Corvette Z06 Coupe 1LZ: $106,395 (includes destination)
Z07 Package: $8,995
Painted Aero $8,495
Painted CF Wheels: $9,995
Total: $133,880 (does not include gas guzzler tax amount since that is unknown)
OR if you want exposed Carbon Fiber
Corvette Z06 Coupe 1LZ: $106,395 (includes destination)
Z07 Package: $8,995
Exposed CF Aero: $10,495
Exposed CF wheels: $11,995
Total: $137,880 (does not include gas guzzler tax amount since that is unknown)
WHERE DID $174,000 come from?????
And how do you know how much better (or worse) the C8 Z06 is than the C7 Z06? We know you have not driven the C8 Z06.
In closing, for the 4th time...How did you get a C8 Z06 "with performance options only" spec'd out to $174K. That is absolutely NOT even close.
Corvette Z06 Coupe 1LZ: $106,395 (includes destination)
Z07 Package: $8,995
Painted Aero $8,495
Painted CF Wheels: $9,995
Total: $133,880 (does not include gas guzzler tax amount since that is unknown)
OR if you want exposed Carbon Fiber
Corvette Z06 Coupe 1LZ: $106,395 (includes destination)
Z07 Package: $8,995
Exposed CF Aero: $10,495
Exposed CF wheels: $11,995
Total: $137,880 (does not include gas guzzler tax amount since that is unknown)
WHERE DID $174,000 come from?????
~$123k for a completely base model Z07 with zero options added is pretty comical imo.
08-04-2022, 02:45 PM
#109
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Well, the "C8" (Stingray, I assume you're talking about) does NOT have a GG tax...
And how do you know how much better (or worse) the C8 Z06 is than the C7 Z06? We know you have not driven the C8 Z06.
In closing, for the 4th time...How did you get a C8 Z06 "with performance options only" spec'd out to $174K. That is absolutely NOT even close.
Corvette Z06 Coupe 1LZ: $106,395 (includes destination)
Z07 Package: $8,995
Painted Aero $8,495
Painted CF Wheels: $9,995
Total: $133,880 (does not include gas guzzler tax amount since that is unknown)
OR if you want exposed Carbon Fiber
Corvette Z06 Coupe 1LZ: $106,395 (includes destination)
Z07 Package: $8,995
Exposed CF Aero: $10,495
Exposed CF wheels: $11,995
Total: $137,880 (does not include gas guzzler tax amount since that is unknown)
WHERE DID $174,000 come from?????
And how do you know how much better (or worse) the C8 Z06 is than the C7 Z06? We know you have not driven the C8 Z06.
In closing, for the 4th time...How did you get a C8 Z06 "with performance options only" spec'd out to $174K. That is absolutely NOT even close.
Corvette Z06 Coupe 1LZ: $106,395 (includes destination)
Z07 Package: $8,995
Painted Aero $8,495
Painted CF Wheels: $9,995
Total: $133,880 (does not include gas guzzler tax amount since that is unknown)
OR if you want exposed Carbon Fiber
Corvette Z06 Coupe 1LZ: $106,395 (includes destination)
Z07 Package: $8,995
Exposed CF Aero: $10,495
Exposed CF wheels: $11,995
Total: $137,880 (does not include gas guzzler tax amount since that is unknown)
WHERE DID $174,000 come from?????
08-04-2022, 03:03 PM
#110
Instructor
Reasons:
Stingray orders not slowing down
Limited Number of hand built engines (Can only build so many a day)
The quick release schedule of the E-Ray (Already announced for 2023 and Z06 hasn't started production yet)
Lack of any Z06 details (We're within a month of order submissions...Problems?)
2030 EV mandate (Could ZR-1 or Zora be scrapped?)
I'm just shooting from the hip, but these are the things that make me go....hmmm
08-04-2022, 03:06 PM
#111
Race Director
That is why I spec'd it the way I did.
Then, for fun, I added 2LZ/3LZ pricing and STILL didn't sniff $174K
08-04-2022, 03:18 PM
#112
Go back and read the original post...he was pretty clear (to me, at least) that all he was ordering was "performance" options, to the point of saying he wasn't even ordering GT2 seats.
That is why I spec'd it the way I did.
Then, for fun, I added 2LZ/3LZ pricing and STILL didn't sniff $174K
That is why I spec'd it the way I did.
Then, for fun, I added 2LZ/3LZ pricing and STILL didn't sniff $174K
I don’t think he was speccing out anything close to a bare bones Z07.
08-04-2022, 03:38 PM
#113
Drifting
Thread Starter
My build is a 3LZ, CF level 2 interior, stitching, CF exposed wheels, Z07 package, CF aero. I have a few minor items like CF engine cover, mirror caps but none of the other stuff like stripes or expensive colors (its a torch red car).
I am the same person who configured the 992 GT3 to 204-207k (cant remember precisely but it was around that). So for my taste, the amount of performance I want, etc to me its a $30k difference between two cars.
I am the same person who configured the 992 GT3 to 204-207k (cant remember precisely but it was around that). So for my taste, the amount of performance I want, etc to me its a $30k difference between two cars.
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08-04-2022, 03:42 PM
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Is there pricing on the CF engine cover yet? And I though that, along with the CF mirror caps, were late availability?
08-04-2022, 03:44 PM
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Drifting
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08-04-2022, 04:34 PM
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My build is a 3LZ, CF level 2 interior, stitching, CF exposed wheels, Z07 package, CF aero. I have a few minor items like CF engine cover, mirror caps but none of the other stuff like stripes or expensive colors (its a torch red car).
I am the same person who configured the 992 GT3 to 204-207k (cant remember precisely but it was around that). So for my taste, the amount of performance I want, etc to me its a $30k difference between two cars.
I am the same person who configured the 992 GT3 to 204-207k (cant remember precisely but it was around that). So for my taste, the amount of performance I want, etc to me its a $30k difference between two cars.
I believe far fewer people will be able to a GT3 at list than the Z06, if only because they will produce less.
No doubt wherever buys a GT3 will like their car, the same is true of the Z06, but they will be very different experiences, and I would imagine that the Z06 would be a more versatile daily driver. It is hard to imagine for some that that will happen, but it will. People were stunned I daily drove an Elise (commute and all).
If someone just wants the sweet sound of the flat plane V8, the entry point is 106k. At Porsche that will get you a base 911. I know which I would choose.
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08-04-2022, 04:37 PM
#117
Le Mans Master
I'm an newb to the vette brand, but I agree with because of what we do know at this point.
Reasons:
Stingray orders not slowing down
Limited Number of hand built engines (Can only build so many a day)
The quick release schedule of the E-Ray (Already announced for 2023 and Z06 hasn't started production yet)
Lack of any Z06 details (We're within a month of order submissions...Problems?)
2030 EV mandate (Could ZR-1 or Zora be scrapped?)
I'm just shooting from the hip, but these are the things that make me go....hmmm
Reasons:
Stingray orders not slowing down
Limited Number of hand built engines (Can only build so many a day)
The quick release schedule of the E-Ray (Already announced for 2023 and Z06 hasn't started production yet)
Lack of any Z06 details (We're within a month of order submissions...Problems?)
2030 EV mandate (Could ZR-1 or Zora be scrapped?)
I'm just shooting from the hip, but these are the things that make me go....hmmm
I doubt engine will be the bottle neck. It takes way less time to make a whole engine than for the car to make it through the whole line.
08-04-2022, 04:48 PM
#118
Banned Scam/Spammer
Your math is a bit off. $60,000 C8’s 50% plus 10% more is $99,000. Car is $110,000 with gas guzzler tax (which C8 includes in its price).
A fully loaded C7 Z06 in its last year of production was $107,000. That had every option checked with the exception of accessories like custom VIN plate or engine build experience. A fully loaded C8 Z06 is $190,000. Thats an increase of 80+% in 3 years. But the newer car isnt 80% better.
Things like competition seats or CF roof went up 50% in price in 3 years. Z07 package went from $12,000 to $21,000. Stitching was free of charge now its an add-on. 3LZ was a $7995 option now its $14,000. % wise, the options went anywhere from 50% to 80%. Inflation doesnt explain this and the car you are getting isnt 80% better in performance.
C7 ZR1 with much more CF and exclusivity and better performance was $140,000. 35-40% less than C8 Z06. Less than 3,000 was produced and it came in manual.
Its a bit absurd to pay that kind of coin for a mass produced corvette. At the end of the C8 run, there will be at least 40,000 Z06s.
A fully loaded C7 Z06 in its last year of production was $107,000. That had every option checked with the exception of accessories like custom VIN plate or engine build experience. A fully loaded C8 Z06 is $190,000. Thats an increase of 80+% in 3 years. But the newer car isnt 80% better.
Things like competition seats or CF roof went up 50% in price in 3 years. Z07 package went from $12,000 to $21,000. Stitching was free of charge now its an add-on. 3LZ was a $7995 option now its $14,000. % wise, the options went anywhere from 50% to 80%. Inflation doesnt explain this and the car you are getting isnt 80% better in performance.
C7 ZR1 with much more CF and exclusivity and better performance was $140,000. 35-40% less than C8 Z06. Less than 3,000 was produced and it came in manual.
Its a bit absurd to pay that kind of coin for a mass produced corvette. At the end of the C8 run, there will be at least 40,000 Z06s.
MSRP for base C8 is 64,200. 150% is 96,300. If you add 10% for inflation it is 105,930. It looks like my math is exactly right on. So again, pricing is right in line with previous generations. Now, I will agree that the options are significantly more expensive, but to just get into the vehicle is absolutely in line with previous generations.
08-04-2022, 05:48 PM
#119
08-04-2022, 06:44 PM
#120
Originally Posted by jimmyb
^^^
Let's face it...we (old line Corvette owners) were used to paying BELOW MSRP for our cars. I have had 6 new Corvettes now. I paid MSRP for 2 of them and got SUBSTANTIAL discounts on the other 4.
So, we have this double edged sword of NO discounts and possible ADM's on ANY C8 which makes the C8 look REALLY expensive.
And that's how a free market works...sometimes (most times) you win...and sometimes you PAY for the honor, now we know how Ferrari buyers feel!!!
Let's face it...we (old line Corvette owners) were used to paying BELOW MSRP for our cars. I have had 6 new Corvettes now. I paid MSRP for 2 of them and got SUBSTANTIAL discounts on the other 4.
So, we have this double edged sword of NO discounts and possible ADM's on ANY C8 which makes the C8 look REALLY expensive.
And that's how a free market works...sometimes (most times) you win...and sometimes you PAY for the honor, now we know how Ferrari buyers feel!!!