Skeptical

GM has to get 700lbs out of the ZO6. To say that this is the most track focused car they have ever built, while weighing 3700lbs+ is ludicrous. I think the ZO6 will be an amazing engine wrapped in a let down of a car. If they ever sell the drivetrain as a crate engine, then I will buy one and put it in an Ultima RS, or whichever version they're selling at the time.

edit: I'll compromise and reduce that to 500lbs at a minimum.

IdahoZ

so how do you suppose they could do that? more advanced materials would lead to a more advanced price. less options would cause people to wonder why they paid so much for a car that doesn’t have the same features as their escalade. not saying I disagree with you about the weight, i’m just curious what could actually be done to improve it within the realm of reasonable trade offs.

smithers

You should collaborate with that guy who was insisting on GM making a twin turbo "street Z06" for the same price as the normal one. It would be a good fit as both ideas have the same chances of happening.

Telepierre

Paper specs discussions can go so far...
Drive or ride in a Lamborghini STO or a 992 GT3 (like I did) and THEN determine if the ride in those cars is worth 500/700 pounds. It's definitively not worth it in the GT3 NHVs but maybe the STO is different.

Skeptical

That's what a track focused car feels like. If you don't want that, get a Carrera or a Turbo. The corvette corollary would be, get a Stingray or a ZR1. The Stingray is the car for the Saturday morning tee time crowd, and the ZR1 is the perfect car for the I just want to mash the pedal in a straight line and go fast while having all my conveniences, crowd. The ZO6 is alleged to be a track car. It isn't. But they made this awesome engine for it, and they really should make the rest of the car match that.

edit: I actually applaud Porsche for not dulling the GT3 for people who want one without the compromises. They already make a car for those people, its the Carrera or Turbo.

Skeptical

General Motors already used "exotic" materials in some of their cars, and have in previous corvettes as well, is my understanding. Previous corvettes have also been lighter, and ZO6 version lighter still. other than a few CF bits, which GM has done and could do, the 911 GT3 doesn't have any exotic materials in it either.

WalterSobchak

Just buy a GT3? 🤷‍♂️

Skeptical

I have one on the way... want to meet me at Road America and see who can do more laps in a 5 hour period?

Cubicinches

GM has to balance creating a car that it can sell in the tens of thousands for a "reasonable" price--and with reasonable maintenance costs--with one that a small number of people will track for a 5-hour periods of time. I've never ridden in an STO but everything I've read and watched about it indicates it's not a car you'd want to drive on a regular basis. Unlike what I assume the new Z06 will.

Skeptical

GM makes a car for the every day, its called the Stingray. Just like Porsche makes the Carrera and the Carrera S. The GT3 does not sell in large numbers, and there are always used ones for sale because people with more money than brains buy one without knowing what it is and end up hating it because its loud and rides rough, etc... Those people should save money and buy a Carrera. Just like GMs corvette buyers could buy a standard Stingray. Otherwise, why bother making more than one version if they're all going to do the same thing? Think of the money GM could save if they just made one version of the Corvette.

SharkDiverZ06

You're free to dump the comfy seats, carpet, insulation, A/C, radio, interior trim, mufflers, cats, big wheels, run flats and whatever else you think doesn't belong...The rest of us will happily option and enjoy the car the way GM intended.

IdahoZ

If GM only made the stingray there would be about as much excitement around the car as the mustang has. I’m glad they make options for those who prefer significantly better looks and performance.

Michael A

There is virtually no market for a stripped down, uncomfortable, expensive track car. GM is in the business to make money.

Jc93Octane

I don’t think what you are proposing is going to do well in the current market, let alone continue to attract more buyers and hype which is what GM wants.

Using myself as an example, I’m 29 years old. I’m a relatively high earner for my age. I have had interest in corvettes my whole life and especially the c8. I already have a modded 2021 GT500 which will leave the c8 stingray for dead on the highway. I also have many friends in my age range with all sorts of cars modded to make 700+ whp that would completely **** on a stingray. None of us is interested in spending $100,000 on a car with only 670 hp that’s good for nothing but the track and then be forced to drive a boring shitbox Monday - Friday and everywhere besides the track because the car is missing standard comfort features.

We want a car that’s going to smoke **** at the track should we choose to go, that’s also going to be comfortable being taken across state lines or just casually leaving some random 60-130 on the highway after work or on the way to grab a bite to eat.

Telepierre

I can play the same game just to offset your fallacy in your market perception. If you really want a track focused car buy the incoming C8 Z06 GT3 or any CX.R readily available for purchase.
Talk versus reality. Track focused...what does that mean!? Any car can be a track car...we have been through this for the C5, C6, C7 and now C8. The Z06 is a brand in itself. Z06 and GT don't stand for the same thing otherwise it would be called C8 GT in the first place which they wisely don't want to do because the term GT has been marketed abused to infinity and really stands from Grand Touring and not Grand Tracking...

The Z06 has been alleged and proved to be a track car in court of law. If someone wants to revive that 'track capable' trial balloon there is plenty of legal precedence and can only wish them good luck.

edit: applauding and actually buying one are two different things...

Telepierre

A thought process for the aspirant track folks...
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You go to Starbucks like any other day to pick up you $10 dollar coffee but this time you are welcomed to the new Starbucks coffee offering:

For $20 you can now enjoy the new coffee should be emotional and visceral offering...

they grub a cup and they dispense naturally groomed coffee beans from Colombia directly in the cup and then proceed to pass it on to you staring back...

And the the killer line comes in...it's all in the chewing it viscerally sir!!

What do you do!?

Skeptical

I would love to buy the C8 GT3, but Chevy won't sell me one. They are only selling them to select racing teams, not anyone.

Porsche will sell me a GT3 track only variant though.

Skeptical

1) I don't go to starbucks
2) I drink black coffee, that costs $10 nowhere. There are coffee's with more caffeine, incidentally, that's not Starbucks because they burn their coffee on purpose to deliver a consistent experience at all their stores. That reduces the caffeine content.
3) Have you never had a chocolate covered coffee bean?

What would I do? I make my coffee at home...

Skeptical

Yes, Porsche has a super hard time selling all their GT3s...

Skeptical

Yes, as I said earlier, Porsche has such a hard time selling GT3s...