2023 Corvette Z06 weight: 3434 (with Z07 Package and CF Wheels)
08-19-2022, 08:08 PM
#121
incidentally, this is precisely why Chevy needs to put up or shut up about making "the most track focused car ever" Actions speak louder than words.
08-19-2022, 08:19 PM
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it is almost like random real world situations show the limitations of the drivers. Ask anyone that has been to a local autocross or track with non-professional drivers.
08-19-2022, 08:29 PM
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Porsche consistently understates their acceleration times, testing shows the car is faster than they say. Did Chevy cherry pick their best time ever achieved?
This is a standard Carrera S, not even a GT3... same driver, same day, same track.
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08-19-2022, 08:37 PM
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SO, would you like another example?
Porsche consistently understates their acceleration times, testing shows the car is faster than they say. Did Chevy cherry pick their best time ever achieved?
This is a standard Carrera S, not even a GT3... same driver, same day, same track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHjYrcynLUI&t=383s
Porsche consistently understates their acceleration times, testing shows the car is faster than they say. Did Chevy cherry pick their best time ever achieved?
This is a standard Carrera S, not even a GT3... same driver, same day, same track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHjYrcynLUI&t=383s
And every generation of Corvette C5 and beyond has surpassed their numbers on the track. Each generation has lists in their sub-forum.
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08-20-2022, 12:45 AM
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Car and Driver weighs all the cars they review. The C8 Z51 Coupe with lots of options weighed 3647. The AMG GTR Black Series weighed 3632... and it's pretty handy on track, lol. It beat the last GT3RS and GT2RS on the Nordschliefe as well as Car and Driver's Lightning Lap at VIR.
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08-20-2022, 01:25 AM
#126
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The only "back and forth" on weight is on THIS forum. The car's DRY weight (Z07 Coupe with CF wheels) has BEEN known (it's 3,434 pounds).
See post #80 for the WET weight.
PS. You'll note that this thread, with the DRY weight, was started on 10/26/2021 so I'm not sure why there's ANY confusion at this point.
There will be NO 'ring time until (and if) GM gets a PRODUTION Z06 over there to do it.
As far as a Nurburgring time being needed to sell the car, the 2011 C6 ZR1 held the record for a time and you could buy one all day long, with a DISCOUNT back then.
See post #80 for the WET weight.
PS. You'll note that this thread, with the DRY weight, was started on 10/26/2021 so I'm not sure why there's ANY confusion at this point.
There will be NO 'ring time until (and if) GM gets a PRODUTION Z06 over there to do it.
As far as a Nurburgring time being needed to sell the car, the 2011 C6 ZR1 held the record for a time and you could buy one all day long, with a DISCOUNT back then.
And I agree; 2011 is back then.
Welcome to 2022.
08-20-2022, 11:20 AM
#127
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I think you are close - The thing is, we do not know all of the options of the Red Z07 car and the biggest one being if the Red Z06/Z07 had front end lift (Which, if I remember correctly, will be one of the heaviest options to add) along with more speakers in the 3LZ. In the C7 versions, the weight difference between these was less than 30 pounds (Obviously, these do not have Front End Lift as an option). The same was in the C6 Versions. Thus, taking that into consideration in your equation, we are 3610 (If not more).
My Z51 door sticker says 4049 LB GVWR an 423 lb max load. That leaves 3626 lb for the car based on door jamb sticker.
GM lists the Z51 dry weight at 3408 lb and curb weight at 3577 lb. That means use 169 lbs for fluids and fuel.
My car weighed 3508 with 4 gals of fuel. That means my car weighed 3484 lb with no fuel but fluids. So this leaves 76 lbs for fluids on my Z51.
With full fuel my Z51 weighs 3597 lbs (I added 14.5 gals = 89 lbs.) Adding the 423 lbs max load gets it to 4020 lbs.
What did we learn:
The door jamb sticker for my Z51 is off by 29 lbs. heavy.
That the fluids without fuel weigh 76 lbs for a Z51.
That GM used 15 gals when determining the curb weight for the Z51.
That 90 lbs is a good estimate for fluids for the Z06.
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08-20-2022, 01:53 PM
#128
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OK, I weighed my car on my Intercomp race scales that are quite accurate. I have a 2020 1LT Z51 with no options that add weight - minimum a Z51 can weight.
My Z51 door sticker says 4049 LB GVWR an 423 lb max load. That leaves 3626 lb for the car based on door jamb sticker.
GM lists the Z51 dry weight at 3408 lb and curb weight at 3577 lb. That means use 169 lbs for fluids and fuel.
My car weighed 3508 with 4 gals of fuel. That means my car weighed 3484 lb with no fuel but fluids. So this leaves 76 lbs for fluids on my Z51.
With full fuel my Z51 weighs 3597 lbs (I added 14.5 gals = 89 lbs.) Adding the 423 lbs max load gets it to 4020 lbs.
What did we learn:
The door jamb sticker for my Z51 is off by 29 lbs. heavy.
That the fluids without fuel weigh 76 lbs for a Z51.
That GM used 15 gals when determining the curb weight for the Z51.
That 90 lbs is a good estimate for fluids for the Z06.
My Z51 door sticker says 4049 LB GVWR an 423 lb max load. That leaves 3626 lb for the car based on door jamb sticker.
GM lists the Z51 dry weight at 3408 lb and curb weight at 3577 lb. That means use 169 lbs for fluids and fuel.
My car weighed 3508 with 4 gals of fuel. That means my car weighed 3484 lb with no fuel but fluids. So this leaves 76 lbs for fluids on my Z51.
With full fuel my Z51 weighs 3597 lbs (I added 14.5 gals = 89 lbs.) Adding the 423 lbs max load gets it to 4020 lbs.
What did we learn:
The door jamb sticker for my Z51 is off by 29 lbs. heavy.
That the fluids without fuel weigh 76 lbs for a Z51.
That GM used 15 gals when determining the curb weight for the Z51.
That 90 lbs is a good estimate for fluids for the Z06.
That is good info - Thanks for sharing the weight of your car!
08-23-2022, 04:30 PM
#129
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OK, I weighed my car on my Intercomp race scales that are quite accurate. I have a 2020 1LT Z51 with no options that add weight - minimum a Z51 can weight.
My Z51 door sticker says 4049 LB GVWR an 423 lb max load. That leaves 3626 lb for the car based on door jamb sticker.
GM lists the Z51 dry weight at 3408 lb and curb weight at 3577 lb. That means use 169 lbs for fluids and fuel.
My car weighed 3508 with 4 gals of fuel. That means my car weighed 3484 lb with no fuel but fluids. So this leaves 76 lbs for fluids on my Z51.
With full fuel my Z51 weighs 3597 lbs (I added 14.5 gals = 89 lbs.) Adding the 423 lbs max load gets it to 4020 lbs.
What did we learn:
The door jamb sticker for my Z51 is off by 29 lbs. heavy.
That the fluids without fuel weigh 76 lbs for a Z51.
That GM used 15 gals when determining the curb weight for the Z51.
That 90 lbs is a good estimate for fluids for the Z06.
My Z51 door sticker says 4049 LB GVWR an 423 lb max load. That leaves 3626 lb for the car based on door jamb sticker.
GM lists the Z51 dry weight at 3408 lb and curb weight at 3577 lb. That means use 169 lbs for fluids and fuel.
My car weighed 3508 with 4 gals of fuel. That means my car weighed 3484 lb with no fuel but fluids. So this leaves 76 lbs for fluids on my Z51.
With full fuel my Z51 weighs 3597 lbs (I added 14.5 gals = 89 lbs.) Adding the 423 lbs max load gets it to 4020 lbs.
What did we learn:
The door jamb sticker for my Z51 is off by 29 lbs. heavy.
That the fluids without fuel weigh 76 lbs for a Z51.
That GM used 15 gals when determining the curb weight for the Z51.
That 90 lbs is a good estimate for fluids for the Z06.
08-23-2022, 10:04 PM
#130
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My understanding is that GM does not do a unique door sticker weight for each individual car and that the door sticker weight covers a variety of cars at a given trim level that are optioned differently, including similar trim cars that are fully optioned out. If the front lift is an option, then that may well be included in the door jamb weight for a car without that option.
08-24-2022, 07:51 AM
#131
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My understanding is that GM does not do a unique door sticker weight for each individual car and that the door sticker weight covers a variety of cars at a given trim level that are optioned differently, including similar trim cars that are fully optioned out. If the front lift is an option, then that may well be included in the door jamb weight for a car without that option.
I know we are close, but I think the calculation above is light. I understand and agree with you that the curb weight may vary slightly from one vehicle to the next (even if they are the same model and as evidenced in the thread that I posted above). Remember, there was less than a 30 pound difference in previous model years - 1LZ to 3LZ trims. Thus, this Red Z06/Z07 example without front lift and with the full Carbon Revolution wheels weighs 3703. I suspect that a 1LZ Z07 without front end lift will be at most 30 pounds lighter.
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08-25-2022, 01:26 PM
#132
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The GVWR on the sticker IS car specific (I thought it was not...)
So, depending on equipment/options, just about every car (Stingray or Z06) will have a different GVWR. This GVWR difference could be fairly significant if car A is a 3LZ with front lift verses car B that is a 1LZ Z07 with Carbon wheels and NO front lift.
My apologies.
I confirmed this on the "other" forum by comparing the GVWR on my car verses the GVWR of others
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08-25-2022, 03:21 PM
#133
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Dry weight is so stupid. Why is it relevant? Who the hell drives a car without engine oil, coolant, brake fluid, trans fluid, diff fluid, etc? Might as well be "weight without body panels"
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08-25-2022, 04:00 PM
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Meh… given all the budgetary handcuffs they have to work around when developing this car, what they create and offer is very impressive. Give these guys a budget to produce a $300-500k or higher car and I’d bet the world would definitely be put on notice.
08-25-2022, 04:19 PM
#135
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I doubt it. The key to the Corvette is volume.
08-25-2022, 04:20 PM
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SO, would you like another example?
Porsche consistently understates their acceleration times, testing shows the car is faster than they say. Did Chevy cherry pick their best time ever achieved?
This is a standard Carrera S, not even a GT3... same driver, same day, same track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHjYrcynLUI&t=383s
Porsche consistently understates their acceleration times, testing shows the car is faster than they say. Did Chevy cherry pick their best time ever achieved?
This is a standard Carrera S, not even a GT3... same driver, same day, same track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHjYrcynLUI&t=383s
08-26-2022, 10:33 AM
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08-27-2022, 01:13 PM
#138
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SO, would you like another example?
Porsche consistently understates their acceleration times, testing shows the car is faster than they say. Did Chevy cherry pick their best time ever achieved?
This is a standard Carrera S, not even a GT3... same driver, same day, same track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHjYrcynLUI&t=383s
Porsche consistently understates their acceleration times, testing shows the car is faster than they say. Did Chevy cherry pick their best time ever achieved?
This is a standard Carrera S, not even a GT3... same driver, same day, same track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHjYrcynLUI&t=383s
08-27-2022, 05:32 PM
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Traditionally, yes… although who knows if this Z06 will ever be produced at typical Z06 production levels.
But my point wasn’t about the likelihood of them pricing the car that high, it was in response to the poster I quoted that slammed the GM engineers. Point I was making is they have a budget to work with and often have to make many more compromises than other, higher end manufacturers to meet these traditional price points. Part of the value provided is definitely through volume and economies of scale, but they also have to skimp in certain areas to meet these price targets. It’s extremely impressive what they can produce with these limitations set on them. Give them a similar budget to develop a car like a GT3/GT3RS, McLaren, Ferrari, etc and these GM engineers would really show the world what they could do.
I’d love for them to release a Ford GT like car, a true exotic with the price to go along with it. I’d bet they’d hurt a lot of feelings.
08-27-2022, 05:46 PM
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Traditionally, yes… although who knows if this Z06 will ever be produced at typical Z06 production levels.
But my point wasn’t about the likelihood of them pricing the car that high, it was in response to the poster I quoted that slammed the GM engineers. Point I was making is they have a budget to work with and often have to make many more compromises than other, higher end manufacturers to meet these traditional price points. Part of the value provided is definitely through volume and economies of scale, but they also have to skimp in certain areas to meet these price targets. It’s extremely impressive what they can produce with these limitations set on them. Give them a similar budget to develop a car like a GT3/GT3RS, McLaren, Ferrari, etc and these GM engineers would really show the world what they could do.
I’d love for them to release a Ford GT like car, a true exotic with the price to go along with it. I’d bet they’d hurt a lot of feelings.
But my point wasn’t about the likelihood of them pricing the car that high, it was in response to the poster I quoted that slammed the GM engineers. Point I was making is they have a budget to work with and often have to make many more compromises than other, higher end manufacturers to meet these traditional price points. Part of the value provided is definitely through volume and economies of scale, but they also have to skimp in certain areas to meet these price targets. It’s extremely impressive what they can produce with these limitations set on them. Give them a similar budget to develop a car like a GT3/GT3RS, McLaren, Ferrari, etc and these GM engineers would really show the world what they could do.
I’d love for them to release a Ford GT like car, a true exotic with the price to go along with it. I’d bet they’d hurt a lot of feelings.