View Poll Results: Over or under 6:55
6:54 or faster..
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Over Under Z06 ring time
#1
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Over Under Z06 ring time
So lets have some fun with this....
I'm placing the 'over / under' at 6:55 ....
Over: 6:56 secs or slower
Under 6:54 or faster
Push: 6:55
with perspective:
6:38.835 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991.2) Lars Kern 14 June 2021 Official Nürburgring record attempt by Porsche.
6:43.616 Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series Maro Engel 4 November 2020 Official Nürburgring record attempt by Mercedes.
6:44.97 Lamborghini Aventador SVJ LP770-4 (2018) Marco Mapelli 26 July 2018 Lamborghini conducted test, full roll cage,
6:47.25 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991.2) Lars Kern 20 September 2017 Porsche conducted test. OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 'N2', OEM "Weissach Package", OEM deletion of audio and communication system
6:48.28 Radical SR8 LM Michael Vergers 19 August 2009 Dunlop Direzza DZ03 tyres. Production car status disputed,
6:52.01 Lamborghini Huracán Performante LP640-4 (2017) Marco Mapelli 5 October 2016 Lamborghini conducted test, full roll cage, Pirelli Trofeo R.[50][51]
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6:55 Radical SR8 Michael Vergers 28 September 2005 Dunlop Direzza DZ03 tyres. Track car, road legal version is available with British Single Vehicle Approval.
6:55.34 Porsche 911 GT3 (992, 2022) Lars Kern 15 Sept 2020 Porsche conducted test. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R. 6:59.927 on the 20.832 km (12.944 mi) configuration.
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6:56.4 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991.2) Kévin Estre 16 April 2018 Porsche conducted test. OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R 'N0', OEM "Weissach Package", OEM deletion of audio and communication system
6:57 Porsche 918 Spyder Marc Lieb 4 September 2013 Porsche conducted test, observed by Sport Auto. "Weissach Package", Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 'N0'.[61][62][63]
6:58.28 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991.2) Christian Gebhardt 17 April 2018 Sport Auto (7/2018), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R[64]
6:59.73 Lamborghini Aventador SuperVeloce LP750-4 (2015) Marco Mapelli 18 May 2015 Lamborghini conducted test, full roll cage, Pirelli P Zero Corsa.[65][66]
7:00.03 Ferrari 488 Pista Christian Gebhardt 16 May 2019 Sport Auto (11/2019), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R K1[67]
7:01.3 Dodge Viper ACR (2017) Lance David Arnold 1 September 2017 OEM "GTS-R Commemorative Edition", "Extreme Aero Package", Kumho Ecsta V720 ACR.
7:04.632 Mercedes-AMG GT R Pro Maro Engel November 2018 Mercedes-Benz conducted test (11/2018). Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 ZP. Ambient temperature of 12 °C (54 °F). Vehicle in accordance with regulations.
7:05.41 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991.2) Christian Gebhardt 18 April 2018 Sport Auto (09/2018), OEM deletion of audio and communication system, Porsche Motorsport bucket seat and harness on driver's side.[74][75]
7:06.60 Mercedes-AMG GT R Pro Christian Gebhardt 22 May 2019 Sport Auto (8/2019), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 ZP.[76][77]
7:08.34 McLaren 720S Christian Gebhardt 28 June 2018 Sport Auto (2/2019), Pirelli P Zero Corsa.[78][79]
7:08.82 McLaren 600LT Christian Gebhardt 6 June 2019 Sport Auto (9/2019), Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R MC.[80]
7:10.92 Mercedes-AMG GT R (2017) Christian Gebhardt 4 November 2016 Sport Auto (1/2017), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 'ZP'.[81][82][83]
7:11.57 Gumpert Apollo Sport Florian Gruber 13 August 2009 Observed by Sport Auto, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup.[84][85][86]
7:12.13 Dodge Viper ACR (2010) Dominik Farnbacher 14 September 2011 SRT, Viper Club of America and ViperExchange conducted test. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup.[87][88][89]
7:12.7 Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2) Lars Kern 4 May 2017 Porsche conducted test. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2, PDK, carbon ceramic brakes, OEM deletion of audio and communication system
7:13.90 Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z06 Christian Gebhardt 24 April 2017 Sport Auto (8/2017), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 'ZP', manual.[92][93]
I'm placing the 'over / under' at 6:55 ....
Over: 6:56 secs or slower
Under 6:54 or faster
Push: 6:55
with perspective:
6:38.835 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991.2) Lars Kern 14 June 2021 Official Nürburgring record attempt by Porsche.
6:43.616 Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series Maro Engel 4 November 2020 Official Nürburgring record attempt by Mercedes.
6:44.97 Lamborghini Aventador SVJ LP770-4 (2018) Marco Mapelli 26 July 2018 Lamborghini conducted test, full roll cage,
6:47.25 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991.2) Lars Kern 20 September 2017 Porsche conducted test. OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 'N2', OEM "Weissach Package", OEM deletion of audio and communication system
6:48.28 Radical SR8 LM Michael Vergers 19 August 2009 Dunlop Direzza DZ03 tyres. Production car status disputed,
6:52.01 Lamborghini Huracán Performante LP640-4 (2017) Marco Mapelli 5 October 2016 Lamborghini conducted test, full roll cage, Pirelli Trofeo R.[50][51]
.
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6:55 Radical SR8 Michael Vergers 28 September 2005 Dunlop Direzza DZ03 tyres. Track car, road legal version is available with British Single Vehicle Approval.
6:55.34 Porsche 911 GT3 (992, 2022) Lars Kern 15 Sept 2020 Porsche conducted test. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R. 6:59.927 on the 20.832 km (12.944 mi) configuration.
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6:56.4 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991.2) Kévin Estre 16 April 2018 Porsche conducted test. OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R 'N0', OEM "Weissach Package", OEM deletion of audio and communication system
6:57 Porsche 918 Spyder Marc Lieb 4 September 2013 Porsche conducted test, observed by Sport Auto. "Weissach Package", Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 'N0'.[61][62][63]
6:58.28 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991.2) Christian Gebhardt 17 April 2018 Sport Auto (7/2018), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R[64]
6:59.73 Lamborghini Aventador SuperVeloce LP750-4 (2015) Marco Mapelli 18 May 2015 Lamborghini conducted test, full roll cage, Pirelli P Zero Corsa.[65][66]
7:00.03 Ferrari 488 Pista Christian Gebhardt 16 May 2019 Sport Auto (11/2019), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R K1[67]
7:01.3 Dodge Viper ACR (2017) Lance David Arnold 1 September 2017 OEM "GTS-R Commemorative Edition", "Extreme Aero Package", Kumho Ecsta V720 ACR.
7:04.632 Mercedes-AMG GT R Pro Maro Engel November 2018 Mercedes-Benz conducted test (11/2018). Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 ZP. Ambient temperature of 12 °C (54 °F). Vehicle in accordance with regulations.
7:05.41 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991.2) Christian Gebhardt 18 April 2018 Sport Auto (09/2018), OEM deletion of audio and communication system, Porsche Motorsport bucket seat and harness on driver's side.[74][75]
7:06.60 Mercedes-AMG GT R Pro Christian Gebhardt 22 May 2019 Sport Auto (8/2019), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 ZP.[76][77]
7:08.34 McLaren 720S Christian Gebhardt 28 June 2018 Sport Auto (2/2019), Pirelli P Zero Corsa.[78][79]
7:08.82 McLaren 600LT Christian Gebhardt 6 June 2019 Sport Auto (9/2019), Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R MC.[80]
7:10.92 Mercedes-AMG GT R (2017) Christian Gebhardt 4 November 2016 Sport Auto (1/2017), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 'ZP'.[81][82][83]
7:11.57 Gumpert Apollo Sport Florian Gruber 13 August 2009 Observed by Sport Auto, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup.[84][85][86]
7:12.13 Dodge Viper ACR (2010) Dominik Farnbacher 14 September 2011 SRT, Viper Club of America and ViperExchange conducted test. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup.[87][88][89]
7:12.7 Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2) Lars Kern 4 May 2017 Porsche conducted test. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2, PDK, carbon ceramic brakes, OEM deletion of audio and communication system
7:13.90 Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z06 Christian Gebhardt 24 April 2017 Sport Auto (8/2017), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 'ZP', manual.[92][93]
Last edited by jim2527; 08-14-2021 at 11:00 AM.
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08-16-2021, 12:22 PM
Hey there keagan,
So, taking into consideration several things,
· The first and foremost new tires, I know that Lee Willard is a tire design genius. Whatever cup tires are on the C8 Z06, comparing them to the Cup 2 tires that were designed and developed by Lee and myself in 2013, seven years of tire design and advanced technology should result in an incredible tire for the C8 Z06. I would venture to estimate a lap time improvement of 8 to 10 seconds just based on tires.
· The second would be the DCT. More available gears to keep the horsepower and torque in the peak power band throughout the lap and lightning quick shifts.
· Better and more advanced performance traction algorithms. I did not use performance traction for every fast lap I did through the C7 Z06. I did embrace it on the C7 ZR1, having to do it over, I might’ve run the ZR1 the same way I ran everything else.
· I don’t know the horsepower of the new Z06 but keeping up with the horsepower gain throughout the generations, I see no reason to C8 Z06 would be any different.
· And of course, the driver. I do not know if they are going to have Oliver Gavin drive again. But now there is an engineer on the Corvette I feel would be just as fast, if not faster. His name is Bill Wise, he drove the 7:16 Camaro ZL1 1LE a few years ago.
Summing it all up, based on my armchair analysis, which actually has been pretty good in the past, I see no reason the car shouldn’t be 12 to 14 seconds faster than the 7:10 I ran in the C7 Z06.
The opportunity to have the Corvette be the first American car under seven minutes would be a significant achievement. I know, I’ve been there…….
Thank you, Jim
So, taking into consideration several things,
· The first and foremost new tires, I know that Lee Willard is a tire design genius. Whatever cup tires are on the C8 Z06, comparing them to the Cup 2 tires that were designed and developed by Lee and myself in 2013, seven years of tire design and advanced technology should result in an incredible tire for the C8 Z06. I would venture to estimate a lap time improvement of 8 to 10 seconds just based on tires.
· The second would be the DCT. More available gears to keep the horsepower and torque in the peak power band throughout the lap and lightning quick shifts.
· Better and more advanced performance traction algorithms. I did not use performance traction for every fast lap I did through the C7 Z06. I did embrace it on the C7 ZR1, having to do it over, I might’ve run the ZR1 the same way I ran everything else.
· I don’t know the horsepower of the new Z06 but keeping up with the horsepower gain throughout the generations, I see no reason to C8 Z06 would be any different.
· And of course, the driver. I do not know if they are going to have Oliver Gavin drive again. But now there is an engineer on the Corvette I feel would be just as fast, if not faster. His name is Bill Wise, he drove the 7:16 Camaro ZL1 1LE a few years ago.
Summing it all up, based on my armchair analysis, which actually has been pretty good in the past, I see no reason the car shouldn’t be 12 to 14 seconds faster than the 7:10 I ran in the C7 Z06.
The opportunity to have the Corvette be the first American car under seven minutes would be a significant achievement. I know, I’ve been there…….
Thank you, Jim
#2
Less than 6:50 on Cup 2Rs
#3
Cur2R's will kick this under 6:54 imo.
#4
#5
Renting a 'Ring Hot Shoe will knock off more seconds than you guys can possibly imagine. I doubt GM will do that tho. My guess is they will use one of their engineer who will leave boatload of time on the table...
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#6
In that case let’s hope sport auto or some other publisher does an attempt of their own.
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#7
Road & Track reporting aero will be active (front & rear) but spy shots alone make it impossible to know for sure.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...-proto-photos/
Any test videos showing active aero?
Active aero along with Cup 2Rs should make it faster than 6:54 or faster
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...-proto-photos/
Any test videos showing active aero?
Active aero along with Cup 2Rs should make it faster than 6:54 or faster
#8
Race Director
... or more likely like the C7Z, Chevy won't post an official time, but Tadge will say he is pleased with the time.
#9
Safety Car
I'm going to say >6:56 or right about there because they test in basically production trim. A lot of those other cars especially Porsche use the term production very liberally. I will say this is assuming this is NA 620-650 hp.....
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#10
Also don’t forget, much less rotational mass than previous 706/7 should help significantly on such a long course.
#11
Melting Slicks
I believe it will be 6:55 or slower. I am going to say 7:05
#13
6:58. Let's ask Mr. Jim Mero what he thinks.
#14
I'm thinking the C7Z with Cup 2Rs and the MR recal could hit high 6:50s
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Agree with this 100%. It's what the other record-breaking manufacturers do.
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Hey there keagan,
So, taking into consideration several things,
· The first and foremost new tires, I know that Lee Willard is a tire design genius. Whatever cup tires are on the C8 Z06, comparing them to the Cup 2 tires that were designed and developed by Lee and myself in 2013, seven years of tire design and advanced technology should result in an incredible tire for the C8 Z06. I would venture to estimate a lap time improvement of 8 to 10 seconds just based on tires.
· The second would be the DCT. More available gears to keep the horsepower and torque in the peak power band throughout the lap and lightning quick shifts.
· Better and more advanced performance traction algorithms. I did not use performance traction for every fast lap I did through the C7 Z06. I did embrace it on the C7 ZR1, having to do it over, I might’ve run the ZR1 the same way I ran everything else.
· I don’t know the horsepower of the new Z06 but keeping up with the horsepower gain throughout the generations, I see no reason to C8 Z06 would be any different.
· And of course, the driver. I do not know if they are going to have Oliver Gavin drive again. But now there is an engineer on the Corvette I feel would be just as fast, if not faster. His name is Bill Wise, he drove the 7:16 Camaro ZL1 1LE a few years ago.
Summing it all up, based on my armchair analysis, which actually has been pretty good in the past, I see no reason the car shouldn’t be 12 to 14 seconds faster than the 7:10 I ran in the C7 Z06.
The opportunity to have the Corvette be the first American car under seven minutes would be a significant achievement. I know, I’ve been there…….
Thank you, Jim
So, taking into consideration several things,
· The first and foremost new tires, I know that Lee Willard is a tire design genius. Whatever cup tires are on the C8 Z06, comparing them to the Cup 2 tires that were designed and developed by Lee and myself in 2013, seven years of tire design and advanced technology should result in an incredible tire for the C8 Z06. I would venture to estimate a lap time improvement of 8 to 10 seconds just based on tires.
· The second would be the DCT. More available gears to keep the horsepower and torque in the peak power band throughout the lap and lightning quick shifts.
· Better and more advanced performance traction algorithms. I did not use performance traction for every fast lap I did through the C7 Z06. I did embrace it on the C7 ZR1, having to do it over, I might’ve run the ZR1 the same way I ran everything else.
· I don’t know the horsepower of the new Z06 but keeping up with the horsepower gain throughout the generations, I see no reason to C8 Z06 would be any different.
· And of course, the driver. I do not know if they are going to have Oliver Gavin drive again. But now there is an engineer on the Corvette I feel would be just as fast, if not faster. His name is Bill Wise, he drove the 7:16 Camaro ZL1 1LE a few years ago.
Summing it all up, based on my armchair analysis, which actually has been pretty good in the past, I see no reason the car shouldn’t be 12 to 14 seconds faster than the 7:10 I ran in the C7 Z06.
The opportunity to have the Corvette be the first American car under seven minutes would be a significant achievement. I know, I’ve been there…….
Thank you, Jim
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Hey there keagan,
So, taking into consideration several things,
· The first and foremost new tires, I know that Lee Willard is a tire design genius. Whatever cup tires are on the C8 Z06, comparing them to the Cup 2 tires that were designed and developed by Lee and myself in 2013, seven years of tire design and advanced technology should result in an incredible tire for the C8 Z06. I would venture to estimate a lap time improvement of 8 to 10 seconds just based on tires.
· The second would be the DCT. More available gears to keep the horsepower and torque in the peak power band throughout the lap and lightning quick shifts.
· Better and more advanced performance traction algorithms. I did not use performance traction for every fast lap I did through the C7 Z06. I did embrace it on the C7 ZR1, having to do it over, I might’ve run the ZR1 the same way I ran everything else.
· I don’t know the horsepower of the new Z06 but keeping up with the horsepower gain throughout the generations, I see no reason to C8 Z06 would be any different.
· And of course, the driver. I do not know if they are going to have Oliver Gavin drive again. But now there is an engineer on the Corvette I feel would be just as fast, if not faster. His name is Bill Wise, he drove the 7:16 Camaro ZL1 1LE a few years ago.
Summing it all up, based on my armchair analysis, which actually has been pretty good in the past, I see no reason the car shouldn’t be 12 to 14 seconds faster than the 7:10 I ran in the C7 Z06.
The opportunity to have the Corvette be the first American car under seven minutes would be a significant achievement. I know, I’ve been there…….
Thank you, Jim
So, taking into consideration several things,
· The first and foremost new tires, I know that Lee Willard is a tire design genius. Whatever cup tires are on the C8 Z06, comparing them to the Cup 2 tires that were designed and developed by Lee and myself in 2013, seven years of tire design and advanced technology should result in an incredible tire for the C8 Z06. I would venture to estimate a lap time improvement of 8 to 10 seconds just based on tires.
· The second would be the DCT. More available gears to keep the horsepower and torque in the peak power band throughout the lap and lightning quick shifts.
· Better and more advanced performance traction algorithms. I did not use performance traction for every fast lap I did through the C7 Z06. I did embrace it on the C7 ZR1, having to do it over, I might’ve run the ZR1 the same way I ran everything else.
· I don’t know the horsepower of the new Z06 but keeping up with the horsepower gain throughout the generations, I see no reason to C8 Z06 would be any different.
· And of course, the driver. I do not know if they are going to have Oliver Gavin drive again. But now there is an engineer on the Corvette I feel would be just as fast, if not faster. His name is Bill Wise, he drove the 7:16 Camaro ZL1 1LE a few years ago.
Summing it all up, based on my armchair analysis, which actually has been pretty good in the past, I see no reason the car shouldn’t be 12 to 14 seconds faster than the 7:10 I ran in the C7 Z06.
The opportunity to have the Corvette be the first American car under seven minutes would be a significant achievement. I know, I’ve been there…….
Thank you, Jim
I think GMs goal is under 7 minutes for a car that starts at $84,995... or somewhere there abouts, I know you need to have the Z07 package and other things maybe to achieve the time, but that will be the marketing tagline.
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