C8 Z51 at SCCA Spring Nationals (AutoX)
05-31-2021, 07:13 PM
#21
Sorry...,have to turn up my nose at A/X.... did it....(was actually A/X chairman at my PCA region for 2 years).... what a total waste of time.... go to a proper racetrack, and learn to drive a proper car properly... I know many folks who began doing A/X, and moved on to HPDE.... I do not know one the ever went back to A/X...
I track 5-7 times a year and AutoX 12-16 times a year. Both are fun in different ways. Both teach car control.
Just stick to what you know…YOU didn’t like AutoX.
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05-31-2021, 08:34 PM
#22
Then you haven’t been paying attention. Ever heard of Randy Probst? Started in AutoX, still runs AutoX with our region when he is around.
I track 5-7 times a year and AutoX 12-16 times a year. Both are fun in different ways. Both teach car control.
Just stick to what you know…YOU didn’t like AutoX.
I track 5-7 times a year and AutoX 12-16 times a year. Both are fun in different ways. Both teach car control.
Just stick to what you know…YOU didn’t like AutoX.
05-31-2021, 09:35 PM
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05-31-2021, 11:12 PM
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JFo was a National Champion in BS fwiw, the C8 is on stock mag shocks which are adjustable in height and going to be hard to improve on imho. Also in fair comparison the C8 is on the Yoks like C6Z, which the better gearing and extra rear weight help put power down as power to weight is only advantageous for acceleration if it can be used and it shines on a longer/faster track like the road course.
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06-01-2021, 08:52 AM
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yep I chatted with JFo as well. Typical street class prep. Other driver is multi champ too so good driver comparison. Unfortunately, JFo is on Yoks which are narrow but great in cold. Other driver on Falkens which are bigger, but need heat which they didn't have. So promising things from C8 but not conclusive.
06-01-2021, 01:00 PM
#26
How about calling around to find a lot to run on... "Hey, would you let us to race cars around in your parking lot on Sunday for free, with no ability to calculate your liability if somebody gets killed...?"
BOY, that's an easy sale.... good luck with that...
How about hauling a trailer load of road cones around and storing them in your back-yard? That's fun....
How about spending 4 weeks organizing an event, and it rains, and 7 people show up... I had boxes of trophies in my attic....
Would you rather go around some cones jammed in a broken up abandoned K-mart parking lot.... or drive around Watkins Glen International Raceway, Summit Point, VIR, Lime Rock, Pocono?
Jus' sayin'
BOY, that's an easy sale.... good luck with that...
How about hauling a trailer load of road cones around and storing them in your back-yard? That's fun....
How about spending 4 weeks organizing an event, and it rains, and 7 people show up... I had boxes of trophies in my attic....
Would you rather go around some cones jammed in a broken up abandoned K-mart parking lot.... or drive around Watkins Glen International Raceway, Summit Point, VIR, Lime Rock, Pocono?
Jus' sayin'
06-01-2021, 01:35 PM
#27
I rather do autox to be honest. Less pressure, simple to get started, good intro to motorsports.
Real track days are probably awesome. But to get started you're basically taking a cruise to get familiar. So you're wasting days and money to start that process.
Real track days are probably awesome. But to get started you're basically taking a cruise to get familiar. So you're wasting days and money to start that process.
06-01-2021, 02:19 PM
#28
Drifting
When I instruct I primarily work with Vette drivers. One novice student I remember - it was his first time on track - and he was the fastest driver in the group, good natural skills. By his second session, when we fell in behind slower traffic, I would pit him for a short time to allow him clear space with no one in front. I moved him to intermediate (unusual) on his third session of his first day, where traffic was faster and his abilities didn't exceed the group. Moral of the story - Big learning experience for him, no Sunday cruise. If you choose never to try track events, the only thing wasted is your ability to learn and get faster.
06-01-2021, 02:37 PM
#29
Aside from the 200lb weight penalty 
, having an instructor/coach is going to make you faster. Even the very advanced guys/gals benefit from it.
The events that require you to start with an instructor always make sure you're not being held up if you are faster. You get bumped up quick.
And if for whatever reason, you just do not want an instructor, there are tons of events/organizations that will let you jump in and drive solo AND pass on day one.
, having an instructor/coach is going to make you faster. Even the very advanced guys/gals benefit from it.The events that require you to start with an instructor always make sure you're not being held up if you are faster. You get bumped up quick.
And if for whatever reason, you just do not want an instructor, there are tons of events/organizations that will let you jump in and drive solo AND pass on day one.
06-01-2021, 03:19 PM
#30
Not true.
When I instruct I primarily work with Vette drivers. One novice student I remember - it was his first time on track - and he was the fastest driver in the group, good natural skills. By his second session, when we fell in behind slower traffic, I would pit him for a short time to allow him clear space with no one in front. I moved him to intermediate (unusual) on his third session of his first day, where traffic was faster and his abilities didn't exceed the group. Moral of the story - Big learning experience for him, no Sunday cruise. If you choose never to try track events, the only thing wasted is your ability to learn and get faster.
When I instruct I primarily work with Vette drivers. One novice student I remember - it was his first time on track - and he was the fastest driver in the group, good natural skills. By his second session, when we fell in behind slower traffic, I would pit him for a short time to allow him clear space with no one in front. I moved him to intermediate (unusual) on his third session of his first day, where traffic was faster and his abilities didn't exceed the group. Moral of the story - Big learning experience for him, no Sunday cruise. If you choose never to try track events, the only thing wasted is your ability to learn and get faster.
I do wanna try it but I couldn't care less if i never do. A proper track is far from me and I'm not spending hundreds of dollars on my first try to take a Sunday cruise in a fast car as a c7z is. Might as well have fun in Mexico Sunday morning. I do that anyway.
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06-01-2021, 04:18 PM
#31
Again, not all track events are the same. My buddy has been trying to get me to attend a track day since I got my c7z. He told me all the restrictions. He couldn't pass, he had to have an instructor ride passenger.
I do wanna try it but I couldn't care less if i never do. A proper track is far from me and I'm not spending hundreds of dollars on my first try to take a Sunday cruise in a fast car as a c7z is. Might as well have fun in Mexico Sunday morning. I do that anyway.
I do wanna try it but I couldn't care less if i never do. A proper track is far from me and I'm not spending hundreds of dollars on my first try to take a Sunday cruise in a fast car as a c7z is. Might as well have fun in Mexico Sunday morning. I do that anyway.
Your C7Z is only fast in principle until you can drive it fast. Completely impossible to drive "fast" on the street. Get to the track.
06-01-2021, 04:49 PM
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Drifting
Hundreds of bucks is peanuts, especially if you're in the market for a C8Z.
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06-01-2021, 05:15 PM
#33
I'm just saying it's a waste of money to take a Sunday cruise on my first track day. When i Can have equal fun or more on the street for free.
I don't mind taking Sunday cruises. I do it every Sunday already. For free. But I go fast sometimes haha
06-01-2021, 05:29 PM
#34
has nothing to do with the money alone. So if it's peanuts send me the money and I'll go take a Sunday cruise on my first track day then lol
I'm just saying it's a waste of money to take a Sunday cruise on my first track day. When i Can have equal fun or more on the street for free.
I don't mind taking Sunday cruises. I do it every Sunday already. For free. But I go fast sometimes haha
I'm just saying it's a waste of money to take a Sunday cruise on my first track day. When i Can have equal fun or more on the street for free.
I don't mind taking Sunday cruises. I do it every Sunday already. For free. But I go fast sometimes haha
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CPhelps (06-01-2021)
06-01-2021, 05:39 PM
#35
I'm sorry, but Z0HS1CK has no idea what he's talking about....
I'm a Certified instructor with RTR-PCA.... we virtually invented HPDE.... probably instructed more than 150 students over the years
I'm a Certified instructor with RTR-PCA.... we virtually invented HPDE.... probably instructed more than 150 students over the years
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vettesweetnos (06-02-2021)
06-01-2021, 05:44 PM
#36
So you're going to sit here and tell me, i can sign up to whatever track event is coming up by me, and go on course with my C7Z, and go all out? After the intro in the classroom before the session etc, i go out in the car, and go all out? No instructor with me, and pass people like i'm about to win a championship?
06-01-2021, 05:47 PM
#37
Again, all track days are different.
So you're going to sit here and tell me, i can sign up to whatever track event is coming up by me, and go on course with my C7Z, and go all out? After the intro in the classroom before the session etc, i go out in the car, and go all out? No instructor with me, and pass people like i'm about to win a championship?
So you're going to sit here and tell me, i can sign up to whatever track event is coming up by me, and go on course with my C7Z, and go all out? After the intro in the classroom before the session etc, i go out in the car, and go all out? No instructor with me, and pass people like i'm about to win a championship?
Of course you'll get black flagged and eventually banned if you demonstrate you're a danger.
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vettesweetnos (06-02-2021)
06-01-2021, 06:22 PM
#38
Again, all track days are different.
So you're going to sit here and tell me, i can sign up to whatever track event is coming up by me, and go on course with my C7Z, and go all out? After the intro in the classroom before the session etc, i go out in the car, and go all out? No instructor with me, and pass people like i'm about to win a championship?
So you're going to sit here and tell me, i can sign up to whatever track event is coming up by me, and go on course with my C7Z, and go all out? After the intro in the classroom before the session etc, i go out in the car, and go all out? No instructor with me, and pass people like i'm about to win a championship?
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06-01-2021, 06:42 PM
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No. I'm telling you how most HPDE events are managed, and the model is pretty well set.... you get an experienced driver who is going to ride with you and teach you proper driving technique for about $350 per weekend... teach you protocol, and if you are not a total idiot, may sign you off to drive by yourself... you can sign up at almost any track in the country.
"(4) 20-minute sessions on track, led by the official pace car. Each session will build on the previous, progressively increasing speed and frequently exceeding 100 mph. by the end of the day."
This isn't a controlled track day? Let's say i'm a fast learner and i do well, i get an unrestricted track day say after my 2nd session that day?
Probably not right?
So again, my first track day is basically a sunday cruise.
I don't see a 350 dollar option for the track i'm looking at, which would explain why i said each track event is different. Maybe by you there's an unrestricted track day. By me, there isn't any unless i attend multiple, basically earning the ranks.
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06-01-2021, 06:48 PM
#40
So it's 215 bucks to take a beginners progressive paced laps. This is for beginners, which would be me. Doesn't matter if i did drag racing, autox, or drove 1000hp cars for decades, i sign up here and i have to attend the beginners option.
"(4) 20-minute sessions on track, led by the official pace car. Each session will build on the previous, progressively increasing speed and frequently exceeding 100 mph. by the end of the day."
This isn't a controlled track day? Let's say i'm a fast learner and i do well, i get an unrestricted track day say after my 2nd session that day?
Probably not right?
So again, my first track day is basically a sunday cruise.
I don't see a 350 dollar option for the track i'm looking at, which would explain why i said each track event is different. Maybe by you there's an unrestricted track day. By me, there isn't any unless i attend multiple, basically earning the ranks.
"(4) 20-minute sessions on track, led by the official pace car. Each session will build on the previous, progressively increasing speed and frequently exceeding 100 mph. by the end of the day."
This isn't a controlled track day? Let's say i'm a fast learner and i do well, i get an unrestricted track day say after my 2nd session that day?
Probably not right?
So again, my first track day is basically a sunday cruise.
I don't see a 350 dollar option for the track i'm looking at, which would explain why i said each track event is different. Maybe by you there's an unrestricted track day. By me, there isn't any unless i attend multiple, basically earning the ranks.
The driving schools where you use your own car will be restrictive... and way safer.