Is the Consensus Here that C8 Z06 will be Twin Turbo?
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There seems to be some confusion over labels of different combinations of engines, TT and hybrid electric. NO COMPLETE ELECTRIC is part of this speculation.
these combinations seem to be the most speculated as coming in addition to current straight push rod
Push rod with hybrid eclectic (Grand Touring?)
DOHC straight with FPC (Z06?)
DOHC TT with hybrid electric . (ZORA?)
these combinations seem to be the most speculated as coming in addition to current straight push rod
Push rod with hybrid eclectic (Grand Touring?)
DOHC straight with FPC (Z06?)
DOHC TT with hybrid electric . (ZORA?)
#45
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As much as a return to the NA "high revving" C6 Z06 sounds nice, the C8 platform would have to shed 500 lbs for a NA motor to provide the performance needed to make the Z06 competitive with other brands, let alone be significantly faster than the base C8. That sort of weight loss would be very expensive and borders on impossible given the constraints of building this car on the same line as the base C8.
The premise of a NA FPC V8 is largely based upon rumors and the fact that the C8R has a 5.5L FPC NA motor and that homologation rules require GM to manufacture 300 or more of road legal versions of the car using the same block. The problem with this reality is that a 5.5L FPC motor is going to have a lot of harmonic vibration that is likely difficult or impossible to "fix". Ford is no longer building the Voodoo engine over this same vibration. Ferrari and McLaren engines max out in the 4L range due to the same physics constraints that will encumber a US built FPC motor. I have a hard time understanding how they are going to build a reliable 5.5L FPC motor when others cannot (with the durability needed for a daily driver). Short of some novel physics solution, I have a hard time believing GM has solved this problem... I would love to be wrong but I refuse to believe a rumor that's premise is based upon the concept of - "a miracle occurs"...
If the Z06 somehow does get a NA FPC motor, maybe we are missing something here like the Z06 getting a hybrid powertrain with electrification? Like other's have said, without more power than can be
The other reason why I doubt the rumors is that one of the largest corvette salesman in the country privately laughs at this and other rumors and says that "those guys are waaaaay off" and i suspect this person knows something more than even the newspaper "spies" as this person has earned a spot at the table to probably get some insider knowledge and is acting more like someone who has some of this protected knowledge...
The premise of a NA FPC V8 is largely based upon rumors and the fact that the C8R has a 5.5L FPC NA motor and that homologation rules require GM to manufacture 300 or more of road legal versions of the car using the same block. The problem with this reality is that a 5.5L FPC motor is going to have a lot of harmonic vibration that is likely difficult or impossible to "fix". Ford is no longer building the Voodoo engine over this same vibration. Ferrari and McLaren engines max out in the 4L range due to the same physics constraints that will encumber a US built FPC motor. I have a hard time understanding how they are going to build a reliable 5.5L FPC motor when others cannot (with the durability needed for a daily driver). Short of some novel physics solution, I have a hard time believing GM has solved this problem... I would love to be wrong but I refuse to believe a rumor that's premise is based upon the concept of - "a miracle occurs"...
If the Z06 somehow does get a NA FPC motor, maybe we are missing something here like the Z06 getting a hybrid powertrain with electrification? Like other's have said, without more power than can be
The other reason why I doubt the rumors is that one of the largest corvette salesman in the country privately laughs at this and other rumors and says that "those guys are waaaaay off" and i suspect this person knows something more than even the newspaper "spies" as this person has earned a spot at the table to probably get some insider knowledge and is acting more like someone who has some of this protected knowledge...
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#46
I have looked through my YouTube watched history and can't seem to find the video, however I did watch an interview where Tadge did say the Z06 is going back to it's roots for the C8 generation. We have seen many videos of mules testing and they do sound like FPC engines, however we don't know the displacement. If it's a smaller 4L I doubt it could make 600 plus hp N/A which might suggest turbos, however a 5.5L could make 600 hp N/A. We have no idea which models are being tested and if they will be N/A or TT, IMO if the Stingray had another 150 hp it would be a mid 10 sec car and pretty respectable for a street car. I'm not part of the very low % that will track the car, a mid to low 10 sec car with a warranty is good enough for me.
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For the kids, prove me wrong..
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With all due respect you cant sit here and tell me what I heard or didn't hear, I watched the video and it was said. Doesn't matter what I or anyone else says it won't change the outcome of what GM is going to reveal, I want the Z06 to be TT but don't think it's going to happen deal with it.
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#50
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With all due respect you cant sit here and tell me what I heard or didn't hear, I watched the video and it was said. Doesn't matter what I or anyone else says it won't change the outcome of what GM is going to reveal, I want the Z06 to be TT but don't think it's going to happen deal with it.
Tell ya what, let’s up the ante I’ll go $100 to the charity of your choosing.
I was going to waste that or more at the range tomorrow but I’ll take one for the team.
This should be very, very simple.
I want to hear directly from Tadge because I totally missed it somehow.
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I’m sure it’s out there. So many people think they heard it, it must be. By golly I bet you’re right.
Tell ya what, let’s up the ante I’ll go $100 to the charity of your choosing.
I was going to waste that or more at the range tomorrow but I’ll take one for the team.
This should be very, very simple.
I want to hear directly from Tadge because I totally missed it somehow.
Tell ya what, let’s up the ante I’ll go $100 to the charity of your choosing.
I was going to waste that or more at the range tomorrow but I’ll take one for the team.
This should be very, very simple.
I want to hear directly from Tadge because I totally missed it somehow.
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I’m sure it’s out there. So many people think they heard it, it must be. By golly I bet you’re right.
Tell ya what, let’s up the ante I’ll go $100 to the charity of your choosing.
I was going to waste that or more at the range tomorrow but I’ll take one for the team.
This should be very, very simple.
I want to hear directly from Tadge because I totally missed it somehow.
Tell ya what, let’s up the ante I’ll go $100 to the charity of your choosing.
I was going to waste that or more at the range tomorrow but I’ll take one for the team.
This should be very, very simple.
I want to hear directly from Tadge because I totally missed it somehow.
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I mean I do want NA over TT but at this point I really hope it's NA so more people can back out. Or people won't and it'll show that the powerplant doesn't mean make or break for most buyers.
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I was hopeful the 27 grand increase over the lt2 in the stingray would include a twin turbocharged dohc flat plan crank motor.
I apologize up front for saying this yet 123 hp increase for 10 grand yes...27 grand Im holding off.
Im sure the c8 z06 will be fabulous. I may just hold off for the twin turbo ZR1 instead...i guess Ill have to read the rave reviews by the automotive press on the c8 z06 before deciding naturally aspirated or twin turbo power.
Hell id take a twin turbo LT2 and be happy...for ten to 15 grand from the factory
I apologize up front for saying this yet 123 hp increase for 10 grand yes...27 grand Im holding off.
Im sure the c8 z06 will be fabulous. I may just hold off for the twin turbo ZR1 instead...i guess Ill have to read the rave reviews by the automotive press on the c8 z06 before deciding naturally aspirated or twin turbo power.
Hell id take a twin turbo LT2 and be happy...for ten to 15 grand from the factory
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I have looked through my YouTube watched history and can't seem to find the video, however I did watch an interview where Tadge did say the Z06 is going back to it's roots for the C8 generation. We have seen many videos of mules testing and they do sound like FPC engines, however we don't know the displacement. If it's a smaller 4L I doubt it could make 600 plus hp N/A which might suggest turbos, however a 5.5L could make 600 hp N/A. We have no idea which models are being tested and if they will be N/A or TT, IMO if the Stingray had another 150 hp it would be a mid 10 sec car and pretty respectable for a street car. I'm not part of the very low % that will track the car, a mid to low 10 sec car with a warranty is good enough for me.
Mid 10 sec is fantastic but not at this point in the game and not from the z06. Gt500 does that already and so does the demon if i’m not mistaken? Z06 has been and should be a cut above no? Yes that’s only one performance metric and the track guys will screen we don’t care about straight line performance blah blah but it is a metric a lot of people DO care about and I suspect from a marketing stand point so does gm.
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I was hopeful the 27 grand increase over the lt2 in the stingray would include a twin turbocharged dohc flat plan crank motor.
I apologize up front for saying this yet 123 hp increase for 10 grand yes...27 grand Im holding off.
Im sure the c8 z06 will be fabulous. I may just hold off for the twin turbo ZR1 instead...i guess Ill have to read the rave reviews by the automotive press on the c8 z06 before deciding naturally aspirated or twin turbo power.
Hell id take a twin turbo LT2 and be happy...for ten to 15 grand from the factory
I apologize up front for saying this yet 123 hp increase for 10 grand yes...27 grand Im holding off.
Im sure the c8 z06 will be fabulous. I may just hold off for the twin turbo ZR1 instead...i guess Ill have to read the rave reviews by the automotive press on the c8 z06 before deciding naturally aspirated or twin turbo power.
Hell id take a twin turbo LT2 and be happy...for ten to 15 grand from the factory
Mortals are allowed to get a zr1 this time. 😑
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I’m sure it’s out there. So many people think they heard it, it must be. By golly I bet you’re right.
Tell ya what, let’s up the ante I’ll go $100 to the charity of your choosing.
I was going to waste that or more at the range tomorrow but I’ll take one for the team.
This should be very, very simple.
I want to hear directly from Tadge because I totally missed it somehow.
Tell ya what, let’s up the ante I’ll go $100 to the charity of your choosing.
I was going to waste that or more at the range tomorrow but I’ll take one for the team.
This should be very, very simple.
I want to hear directly from Tadge because I totally missed it somehow.
Also, the people in here saying they would hope a TT would justify a 15 to 25k price tag on a car that ALREADY competes (does not beat but competes) with supercars are a little out of touch. Besides a McLaren, which have the reliability of Jaguars BTW, or any car with a Blackwing set up, name one super car with a factory TT v8. Once you identify that vehicle ask yourself what the price difference is between that vehicle and let's say 90k for the people who think the Z06 will be TT. NOW, ask yourself what an additional 150 to 200 hp will do to a car on a platform that already sends chills down the spine of supercar manufacturers...
So you have just done three things:
1) You realized a TT v8 in a performance car is a rarity - they exist but are rare.
2) You realized there would be a massive price disparity between those other performance cars that goes beyond "bang for your buck".
3) You realized what a TT set up would do to a car that is already a weapon.
Now here you are saying "Yeah I would pay 15 to 25k more for a twin turbo c8..."
Yeah, yeah I bet you would. I would also pay 5k for a brand new Submariner.
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Excuse me sir but I believe 100 dollar bets in this thread is my purview lol
Also, the people in here saying they would hope a TT would justify a 15 to 25k price tag on a car that ALREADY competes (does not beat but competes) with supercars are a little out of touch. Besides a McLaren, which have the reliability of Jaguars BTW, or any car with a Blackwing set up, name one super car with a factory TT v8. Once you identify that vehicle ask yourself what the price difference is between that vehicle and let's say 90k for the people who think the Z06 will be TT. NOW, ask yourself what an additional 150 to 200 hp will do to a car on a platform that already sends chills down the spine of supercar manufacturers...
So you have just done three things:
1) You realized a TT v8 in a performance car is a rarity - they exist but are rare.
2) You realized there would be a massive price disparity between those other performance cars that goes beyond "bang for your buck".
3) You realized what a TT set up would do to a car that is already a weapon.
Now here you are saying "Yeah I would pay 15 to 25k more for a twin turbo c8..."
Yeah, yeah I bet you would. I would also pay 5k for a brand new Submariner.
Also, the people in here saying they would hope a TT would justify a 15 to 25k price tag on a car that ALREADY competes (does not beat but competes) with supercars are a little out of touch. Besides a McLaren, which have the reliability of Jaguars BTW, or any car with a Blackwing set up, name one super car with a factory TT v8. Once you identify that vehicle ask yourself what the price difference is between that vehicle and let's say 90k for the people who think the Z06 will be TT. NOW, ask yourself what an additional 150 to 200 hp will do to a car on a platform that already sends chills down the spine of supercar manufacturers...
So you have just done three things:
1) You realized a TT v8 in a performance car is a rarity - they exist but are rare.
2) You realized there would be a massive price disparity between those other performance cars that goes beyond "bang for your buck".
3) You realized what a TT set up would do to a car that is already a weapon.
Now here you are saying "Yeah I would pay 15 to 25k more for a twin turbo c8..."
Yeah, yeah I bet you would. I would also pay 5k for a brand new Submariner.
So again why the hype? I’ll say it again I love the car and I want a z but I want it to be leaps and bounds better than the base car and the previous Gen z and on par or better than c7 zr1. Period.
No a tt setup didn’t automatically mean 200k car sorry. My x7m50i has a fantastic 4.4 l tt engine which I love. 115k car. My buddies m5 same engine with bigger turbos (go figure that’s a great way to improve the same engine) 100k car. So where exactly can’ta z06 fit in the same price range it’s always been in. Cause mid engine and tt make it cost so much more to build? Bullshit.
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