[SPIED] Exclusive Video and Pics of the C8 Corvette ZR1/Z06 Prototypes Testing in OH
05-01-2021, 06:19 PM
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2018 C7 of Year Finalist
Ideally, a 3300lb C8Z would be awesome. I would be incredibly surprised if it was under 3400lbs though. In all likely hood I am assuming we are getting a 3500-3700lb car. And won't be too thrilled if it gets above 3700.
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05-01-2021, 06:29 PM
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We got a 3350lbs, 638hp ZR1, 12 years ago. Is GM going to give us something heavier with less power and just lean on the Cup2Rs I wonder?
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05-01-2021, 06:52 PM
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Anything less than 3,500 lbs will be a gift.
05-01-2021, 06:54 PM
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05-01-2021, 07:23 PM
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05-01-2021, 10:11 PM
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Why is any one speculating anything about a ZR1 at this point? It's like you people live in some weird alternate universe where nothing that happened in the past has any relevance to the future. The ZR1 has been and will likely remain an end of generation model that is used to keep interest in the Corvette brand as demand sags.
The wide body cars are likely Z06s and Grand Sports while the skinny cars in the tests could simply be hybrids or testing cosmetic refresh ideas. Anyone speculating on ZR1s this early in the game are about as delusional as the manual hopefuls...
The wide body cars are likely Z06s and Grand Sports while the skinny cars in the tests could simply be hybrids or testing cosmetic refresh ideas. Anyone speculating on ZR1s this early in the game are about as delusional as the manual hopefuls...
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05-02-2021, 06:54 AM
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If they use lighter materials to offset Bigger brakes, wheels, fenders, and keep that weight neutral....
Then have lighter exhaust, glass, carbon pieces, lighter carpet, etc.
I cannot see a savings of 200lbs.....of which I’d want dearly. Maybe some structural members get lighter castings, but .....
and if it ends up having the twin turbo LT7, then there’s even more weight.... although that torque would somewhat hide the weight at times.
I just hope it lighter than a Stingray, but not holding my breathe.
Then have lighter exhaust, glass, carbon pieces, lighter carpet, etc.
I cannot see a savings of 200lbs.....of which I’d want dearly. Maybe some structural members get lighter castings, but .....
and if it ends up having the twin turbo LT7, then there’s even more weight.... although that torque would somewhat hide the weight at times.
I just hope it lighter than a Stingray, but not holding my breathe.
It just sucks we can't check out the brakes, or i mean people who can see these mules in person can check out the brakes. That way we have a better idea who's rocking regular steel brakes or CC's. Maybe it'll give us a better understanding which one is the z06 or eray. Or z06 or zr1.
I think if there was a mule rocking CC's, it'll be most likely the z06 and not the zr1. I do think the lower tone mule is the zr1. Car 3 and 7 i think??? Hmmmm.
05-02-2021, 07:36 AM
#308
Burning Brakes
It just sucks we can't check out the brakes, or i mean people who can see these mules in person can check out the brakes. That way we have a better idea who's rocking regular steel brakes or CC's. Maybe it'll give us a better understanding which one is the z06 or eray. Or z06 or zr1.
I think if there was a mule rocking CC's, it'll be most likely the z06 and not the zr1. I do think the lower tone mule is the zr1. Car 3 and 7 i think??? Hmmmm.
I think if there was a mule rocking CC's, it'll be most likely the z06 and not the zr1. I do think the lower tone mule is the zr1. Car 3 and 7 i think??? Hmmmm.
They don't test ZR1s 4 or 5 years from release. That would be insane. They base the ZR1 on the Z06. What was good? What was bad? Alright, let's make it worth $140K+.
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05-02-2021, 07:42 AM
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WHAT?? The ZR1 gets CC brakes standard. Z06 and GS get them with the Z07 package. Did you know the CC brakes debuted on the C6 ZR1?
They don't test ZR1s 4 or 5 years from release. That would be insane. They base the ZR1 on the Z06. What was good? What was bad? Alright, let's make it worth $140K+.
They don't test ZR1s 4 or 5 years from release. That would be insane. They base the ZR1 on the Z06. What was good? What was bad? Alright, let's make it worth $140K+.
If the mules had CC's, we know that is the z06 because that's supposedly "NEXT". Why put CC's on the ZR1 mule now?
Also it was rumored the zr1 would come in 2024, so testing now in 2021 is only 3 years away, not 4-5. Plus wouldn't they want to test a TT setup long before it's released? Again, this is ALL NEW. Not just a more efficient SC over the same engine as was the case with the C7ZR over the C7Z. Not much testing needed for that platform. Just better cooling, more aero and a better SC.
Now it's different here. I think the final touches are being made to the NA z06 (if NA), and they're also testing along with it, the TT characteristics, in the ZR1.
05-02-2021, 08:00 AM
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Burning Brakes
That's exactly what i mean.
If the mules had CC's, we know that is the z06 because that's supposedly "NEXT". Why put CC's on the ZR1 mule now?
Also it was rumored the zr1 would come in 2024, so testing now in 2021 is only 3 years away, not 4-5. Plus wouldn't they want to test a TT setup long before it's released? Again, this is ALL NEW. Not just a more efficient SC over the same engine as was the case with the C7ZR over the C7Z. Not much testing needed for that platform. Just better cooling, more aero and a better SC.
Now it's different here. I think the final touches are being made to the NA z06 (if NA), and they're also testing along with it, the TT characteristics, in the ZR1.
If the mules had CC's, we know that is the z06 because that's supposedly "NEXT". Why put CC's on the ZR1 mule now?
Also it was rumored the zr1 would come in 2024, so testing now in 2021 is only 3 years away, not 4-5. Plus wouldn't they want to test a TT setup long before it's released? Again, this is ALL NEW. Not just a more efficient SC over the same engine as was the case with the C7ZR over the C7Z. Not much testing needed for that platform. Just better cooling, more aero and a better SC.
Now it's different here. I think the final touches are being made to the NA z06 (if NA), and they're also testing along with it, the TT characteristics, in the ZR1.
The DOHC FPC is "all new". Were they testing it with the stingray?
Why do you insist they are testing the ZR1? There's no proof or disproof of turbo on those mules.
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05-02-2021, 08:07 AM
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I don't understand why but what I'm hearing and what my brain says it sounds like don't match up... It sounds kind of like a FPC but also doesn't to me so I really don't know what to think. Thanks for the video.
05-02-2021, 08:11 AM
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The C6Z was NA and the C6ZR1 had an "all new" supercharger. We didn't see them testing the Z06 and ZR1 at the same time.
The DOHC FPC is "all new". Were they testing it with the stingray?
Why do you insist they are testing the ZR1? There's no proof or disproof of turbo on those mules.
The DOHC FPC is "all new". Were they testing it with the stingray?
Why do you insist they are testing the ZR1? There's no proof or disproof of turbo on those mules.
Talking about the C7. C7Z came out in 2015. ZR1 came out in 2019. 4 years apart.
C8Z rumored to come out 2021 (pre-covid) and ZR1 to come out in 2023. 2 years apart.
Why wouldn't they test it together?
And i'm not necessarily talking about turbo or na only. But rather exhaust tones that might actually give you the answer on which one would be turbo or na. Because if that's actually true, then those are in fact z06 and zr1 mules.
Everything has been LATE with this C8. Orders, stingray production, z06 now.
So i wouldn't doubt it at all they're speeding this up, for even further variants.
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05-02-2021, 08:12 AM
#313
Sounded like my R1 a bit lol.
05-02-2021, 08:18 AM
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Burning Brakes
I wouldn't know about the C6, that was in the dinosaur age.
Talking about the C7. C7Z came out in 2015. ZR1 came out in 2019. 4 years apart.
C8Z rumored to come out 2022 (pre-covid) and ZR1 to come out in 2024. 2 years apart.
Why wouldn't they test it together?
And i'm not necessarily talking about turbo or na only. But rather exhaust tones that might actually give you the answer on which one would be turbo or na. Because if that's actually true, then those are in fact z06 and zr1 mules.
Talking about the C7. C7Z came out in 2015. ZR1 came out in 2019. 4 years apart.
C8Z rumored to come out 2022 (pre-covid) and ZR1 to come out in 2024. 2 years apart.
Why wouldn't they test it together?
And i'm not necessarily talking about turbo or na only. But rather exhaust tones that might actually give you the answer on which one would be turbo or na. Because if that's actually true, then those are in fact z06 and zr1 mules.
Testing together would tie up engineering resources that could have been used to get the Z06 out the door. They aren't stalling on purpose. And again, you don't want to put too much design in to the ZR1 just yet. You need to see how the market responds to the Z06 and this rumored eray.
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05-02-2021, 08:20 AM
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There are no ZR1 Corvettes in that video.
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05-02-2021, 08:24 AM
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The reason they don't test together is because they don't need that much testing time for a TT ZR1. TT is not a big deal for a major car manufacturer. It's not even a big deal for all the small aftermarket companies.
Testing together would tie up engineering resources that could have been used to get the Z06 out the door. They aren't stalling on purpose. And again, you don't want to put too much design in to the ZR1 just yet. You need to see how the market responds to the Z06 and this rumored eray.
Testing together would tie up engineering resources that could have been used to get the Z06 out the door. They aren't stalling on purpose. And again, you don't want to put too much design in to the ZR1 just yet. You need to see how the market responds to the Z06 and this rumored eray.
I'm not claiming to be right, no one is right or wrong. We are all just speaking out of excitement, or at least i am. I couldn't care less what the next z06 will bring, it could be an LT1or a tri-turbo v12 for all i care, i'm still getting one because i like new cars, new models.
I am still not counting out a potential zr1 mule to be there. Maybe it's totally farfetched to say there's 2 ZR1's but 1? I really believe so.
Again, 2020 has messed up EVERYTHING. So there's nothing that's happening that we can consider "normal".
Everything is happening in a different way. Not only with cars, but in life.
05-02-2021, 08:31 AM
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That is a similar sound lol. But no... it just sounds like attenuated... I don't know. I for sure heard 3 different sounding idles though. One a little choppy, then one was for sure an LT2 and the other the one that the guy tapped the loud pedal on. The idles are definitely higher than they'd normally be when they're all running as well. That hides a lot too. I'm just waiting to see tbh. Whatever it is it'll be cool I'm sure. Always is.
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05-02-2021, 08:34 AM
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Hey i'm not the only one who thinks this way. Pretty much every single anxious potential (or not) z06 buyer is thinking the same way. That's why these discussions exist, to talk about it.
I'm not claiming to be right, no one is right or wrong. We are all just speaking out of excitement, or at least i am. I couldn't care less what the next z06 will bring, it could be an LT1or a tri-turbo v12 for all i care, i'm still getting one because i like new cars, new models.
I am still not counting out a potential zr1 mule to be there. Maybe it's totally farfetched to say there's 2 ZR1's but 1? I really believe so.
Again, 2020 has messed up EVERYTHING. So there's nothing that's happening that we can consider "normal".
Everything is happening in a different way. Not only with cars, but in life.
I'm not claiming to be right, no one is right or wrong. We are all just speaking out of excitement, or at least i am. I couldn't care less what the next z06 will bring, it could be an LT1or a tri-turbo v12 for all i care, i'm still getting one because i like new cars, new models.
I am still not counting out a potential zr1 mule to be there. Maybe it's totally farfetched to say there's 2 ZR1's but 1? I really believe so.
Again, 2020 has messed up EVERYTHING. So there's nothing that's happening that we can consider "normal".
Everything is happening in a different way. Not only with cars, but in life.
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05-02-2021, 08:51 AM
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Is it possible that two of the cars had NPP open and two didn’t or were testing different mufflers for resonance while cruising around?
05-02-2021, 09:15 AM
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That is a similar sound lol. But no... it just sounds like attenuated... I don't know. I for sure heard 3 different sounding idles though. One a little choppy, then one was for sure an LT2 and the other the one that the guy tapped the loud pedal on. The idles are definitely higher than they'd normally be when they're all running as well. That hides a lot too. I'm just waiting to see tbh. Whatever it is it'll be cool I'm sure. Always is.
But you're right, i have heard at least 3 tones. Not only from this particular video but also in that other video when people thought the mule was a manual (lol). Plus that blue C8 in stingray form following it at the end sounded VERY different.
Your high idle comment seems interesting, maybe they did do that on purpose? But i still heard a high tone and a low tone. Doubt it it's the NPP though because the difference in start up NPP open and close on my car does not have those differences at all.
The low tone is still loud, just low bassy tone. And the higher tone is a higher pitched buzzy sound. Like a 458!!!!!