C8 Z06 will be the ONLY flat plane crank engine in the C8s entire lineup.
#101
So if emissions is the target and EV needed what are they going to do with trucks, planes and ships?
Considering planes do the most damage to the atmosphere why are they not targeting them first? Cars do about as much damage to the atmopshere as pissing in the ocean compared to planes.
Considering planes do the most damage to the atmosphere why are they not targeting them first? Cars do about as much damage to the atmopshere as pissing in the ocean compared to planes.
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#102
Drifting
Thread Starter
It wont be Corvette that debuts the first fully electric sports car from GM folks, it will be Cadillac according to Mary Barras press conference stating that CADILLAC will debut most or ALL new EV technologies in the near future. Whats even more interesting is Al Oppenheiser of Camaro fame was moved to the EV division within GM, and this dude is all about performance. No concern that we will even see a all EV Corvette anytime soon. The hybrid motors on this series C8 ARE PERFORMANCE ONLY. You CANNOT fit the battery needed into this frames architecture to make it a full EV like a Taycan.
#103
It wont be Corvette that debuts the first fully electric sports car from GM folks, it will be Cadillac according to Mary Barras press conference stating that CADILLAC will debut most or ALL new EV technologies in the near future. Whats even more interesting is Al Oppenheiser of Camaro fame was moved to the EV division within GM, and this dude is all about performance. No concern that we will even see a all EV Corvette anytime soon. The hybrid motors on this series C8 ARE PERFORMANCE ONLY. You CANNOT fit the battery needed into this frames architecture to make it a full EV like a Taycan.
It shared the same platform as the ATS-V, but the Camaro team absolutely destroyed the visibility out of that car, and removed all interior space.
Just imagine a ATS sedan with all the ZL1 goodies, with a Chevy bowtie and price tag, especially as a daily driver. World beater.
Al and his crew should all be unemployed for killing off the Camaro again, and for destroying what could have been.
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#104
Here are my thoughts....
1) MSRP of the Z06 must be kept in-line or the business case (i.e. profit) will be negative. A $150k MSRP of the Z06 is out of the question because there won't be sufficient units sold and that is the territory for the ZR1 and the hybrid version. GM understands very well the Z06 needs a base price of about $85k and with options in the low $100k range.
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1) MSRP of the Z06 must be kept in-line or the business case (i.e. profit) will be negative. A $150k MSRP of the Z06 is out of the question because there won't be sufficient units sold and that is the territory for the ZR1 and the hybrid version. GM understands very well the Z06 needs a base price of about $85k and with options in the low $100k range.
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#105
Banned Scam/Spammer
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#106
I think we will see $84,999.00 MSRP and fully loaded with Z07 package close to 125k.for HTC 3lt
My 2016 ZO6 z07 was 110k for coupe and C8 option for HTC is 7500.00 alone.
My 2020 HTC 3lt MSRP was 95kwar 35k over base MSRP. So having a z06 hit 125k is in the ball bark for a loaded up HTC 3lt.
Gm won't be able to build them fast enough if the car has all the C8 Stingray goodness plus have a 9000 rpm fpc with 650ish hp. I get excited just thinking about what arrest car that GM is going to produce with the upcoming z06!!!
My 2016 ZO6 z07 was 110k for coupe and C8 option for HTC is 7500.00 alone.
My 2020 HTC 3lt MSRP was 95kwar 35k over base MSRP. So having a z06 hit 125k is in the ball bark for a loaded up HTC 3lt.
Gm won't be able to build them fast enough if the car has all the C8 Stingray goodness plus have a 9000 rpm fpc with 650ish hp. I get excited just thinking about what arrest car that GM is going to produce with the upcoming z06!!!
#107
You couldn’t be more wrong. If that was the only way they could afford to sell the car they wouldn’t even bother. The price has to stay within the realm of reason for most people. It’s going to be within 5-7500 of the c7 z06 starting price. A nicely equipped 3lz with a few other extras will be around 100k -110k max. Those of You that need or want z07 and carbon everything including wheels will be around 130 ish as a maxed out track car with every conceivable option. Most z06’s will be msrp between 100-110 or so not far off from c7 z06 pricing.
#108
Safety Car
Oil companies aren't going to give up the multi TRILLION dollar business just like that lol
Again, idk why people are getting so scared for. EV is obviously coming, but it's not happening over night.
By the time a person wakes up and we're living in a world similar to the movie demolition man (great movie), all of us who ever posted in this thread (and basically any adult living now) will be 6 feet under.
Just enjoy what we have now or what's coming in the immediate future. Looking decades down the road makes no sense.
Again, idk why people are getting so scared for. EV is obviously coming, but it's not happening over night.
By the time a person wakes up and we're living in a world similar to the movie demolition man (great movie), all of us who ever posted in this thread (and basically any adult living now) will be 6 feet under.
Just enjoy what we have now or what's coming in the immediate future. Looking decades down the road makes no sense.
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#110
Drifting
Thread Starter
Development cost. If your a fan of automotive technologies then you know that engine development cost are the holy grail of any companies cost or investment for their next generation technologies. McLaren or Lotus is using a actual F1 template from the early 80s for a motor. AMG sells motors to more than half the exotic realm. Brand new motors cost serious bucks in development cost. Others are just refined versions of previous motors. The appeal of EVs are development cost as well, with some estimates saying a tenth of ANY ICE VEHICLE.
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#112
Burning Brakes
Oil companies aren't going to give up the multi TRILLION dollar business just like that lol
Again, idk why people are getting so scared for. EV is obviously coming, but it's not happening over night.
By the time a person wakes up and we're living in a world similar to the movie demolition man (great movie), all of us who ever posted in this thread (and basically any adult living now) will be 6 feet under.
Just enjoy what we have now or what's coming in the immediate future. Looking decades down the road makes no sense.
Again, idk why people are getting so scared for. EV is obviously coming, but it's not happening over night.
By the time a person wakes up and we're living in a world similar to the movie demolition man (great movie), all of us who ever posted in this thread (and basically any adult living now) will be 6 feet under.
Just enjoy what we have now or what's coming in the immediate future. Looking decades down the road makes no sense.
Personally I’ve delivered 28 million Gallons of oil by sea to California (and pumped it myself) this year alone. My company employs no Lobbyists that I’m aware of, nor would benefit from it.
Larger companies upstream may lobby for well leases, new exploration, less regulation etc but oil is a publicly traded commodity and as such the stock market, how much people drive, production as well as OPEC and even wars control the price per barrel, which directly affects the cost at the pump.
Even if we went to all EV’s tomorrow we would still need oil for everything from clothes to medical
equipment, home building and even EV production. Literally every aspect of our life touches fossil fuels.
In short, nobody is concerned. Carry on.
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#113
I know that. That's why I'm saying I'm not worried.
Yesterday I went on my usual weekend drive. About 1.5 hours, traveled about 70 miles total.
I saw 2 teslas. I'm sure there was more probably going the opposite direction but in 70 miles, I saw 2.
The odd thinking that were all doomed and ev will take over tomorrow or next year or even in 5 years is nonsense.
Itll happen for sure but we wont see the mass transition. Not in our lifetime..
Yesterday I went on my usual weekend drive. About 1.5 hours, traveled about 70 miles total.
I saw 2 teslas. I'm sure there was more probably going the opposite direction but in 70 miles, I saw 2.
The odd thinking that were all doomed and ev will take over tomorrow or next year or even in 5 years is nonsense.
Itll happen for sure but we wont see the mass transition. Not in our lifetime..
#114
#115
By the time a person wakes up and we're living in a world similar to the movie demolition man (great movie), all of us who ever posted in this thread (and basically any adult living now) will be 6 feet under.
Just enjoy what we have now or what's coming in the immediate future. Looking decades down the road makes no sense.
Just enjoy what we have now or what's coming in the immediate future. Looking decades down the road makes no sense.
Against all odds, Israel became a nation once again in 1948, and word on the street says that the end of the world as we know it will occur no later than 2048, a mere 27 years from now.
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#116
Banned Scam/Spammer
Development cost. If your a fan of automotive technologies then you know that engine development cost are the holy grail of any companies cost or investment for their next generation technologies. McLaren or Lotus is using a actual F1 template from the early 80s for a motor. AMG sells motors to more than half the exotic realm. Brand new motors cost serious bucks in development cost. Others are just refined versions of previous motors. The appeal of EVs are development cost as well, with some estimates saying a tenth of ANY ICE VEHICLE.
#117
The goal is 500 million people. TOTAL. In the world.
2050 = 500 million people worldwide.
The pandemic last year? That's the beginning.
again I'm not worried. I hope to be gone when all that happens.
#118
Melting Slicks
Motor 1 is telegraphing in a new article of anticipated new 2021 vehicles, and what they are speculating makes a whole lot of sense with all the other rumors. The ZR1 will have a LT2 twin turbocharged motor instead of the upcoming 5.5 flat plane crank engine slated for the Z06. That is to be followed up by the Zora i would guess that has electric motor assist. This puts a whole lot more emphasis on the Z06 being quite special, and probably a whole lot more expensive than previously thought to be. There seems to be a whole lot of life left in the 6.2 litre small block than anybody ever imagined as well for GM sports cars. Cadillacs CT5 V Blackwing is also using a updated LT4 or 5 engine as well. If this is true then expect the 6.2 litre hybrid to make a sudden appearance to keep those non track customers at the showrooms
Jesus, and people wonder how the media gets away with it.
#119
Le Mans Master
Haha. We already lived thru the 2012 end-of-the-world. It's going to take a while to kill off 5.5 billion people with a "pandemic" with a 1% fatality rate even if we don't mulitply like flies.
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#120
Its clear from this thread that a Flat Plane Crank in a Corvette is going to lead to Armageddon, Mass Extinction, and the END OF CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT!!!!!
Whoda thunk-it....?
Whoda thunk-it....?