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Old 10-27-2019, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by genek
Dyno aside DCT and Rear Weight Bias can cut a lot of ET but it takes Horsepower to Trap.

Anyone care to take a stab at how a car thats 100 lb heavier (C8 Z51) and down150 horsepower traps within 1 mph of the C7 Z06?
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Simple, a A8 base C7 Z06 should trap close to 130
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...........10.43 and 134.1.......STOCK 2016 ZO6......maybe red along with chrome wheels is the fastest combo!!!! The second video is PDR of 0-60 time...cough.......2.8.....


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Everyone knows the zo6 PDRs are way off compared to real times..





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The C8 Z51 is quick...it just not going to pull a so-called high trap speed with that amount of horsepower. The real question is......can the C8 Z51 do better than 11.1@123.2 in the real world? Can someone beat the magazine time? 11.1 is crazy fast for what it is. Just my. 02
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Originally Posted by lostsoul
Everyone knows the zo6 PDRs are way off compared to real times..




actually within a tenth and a mph. So way off. Lol.. the internet is so funny
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Originally Posted by Fore58
The C8 Z51 is quick...it just not going to pull a so-called high trap speed with that amount of horsepower. The real question is......can the C8 Z51 do better than 11.1@123.2 in the real world? Can someone beat the magazine time? 11.1 is crazy fast for what it is. Just my. 02
We'll see soon enough. No hiding it like now.. why didn't they post any pdr vids? That would be some awesome publicity no? Unless pdr showed it ran slower. Like 3.0 to 60 or slower even.. no rollout on pdr. So quarter in 11.3 or 4? I just don't get why no vids.
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Originally Posted by 16/C7Z
We'll see soon enough. No hiding it like now.. why didn't they post any pdr vids? That would be some awesome publicity no? Unless pdr showed it ran slower. Like 3.0 to 60 or slower even.. no rollout on pdr. So quarter in 11.3 or 4? I just don't get why no vids.
I agree..... and why hasn't GM revealed a 1/4 time thus far? What is so different about this C8 that GM is unwilling to disclose? For example the C7 Z06.....10.95@127 claim, however many people could not accomplish that time or better. And there may have been some disappointments. So maybe GM is leaving it up to the magazine writers so that we could pound on them instead.
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Originally Posted by skypilot797
...........10.43 and 134.1.......stock 2016 zo6......maybe red along with chrome wheels is the fastest combo!!!! The second video is pdr of 0-60 time...cough.......2.8.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noudqiu9zf8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zzasivg_3u&t=76s
All done on a super well prepped track (you can hear the super sticky large amounts of track prep) and on a very low temp {da} perfect air day. Certainly not a run that can be considered repeatable on a non prepped surface and on a 70 or 80 degree day. This is a hero pass.

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Originally Posted by Fore58
The C8 Z51 is quick...it just not going to pull a so-called high trap speed with that amount of horsepower. The real question is......can the C8 Z51 do better than 11.1@123.2 in the real world? Can someone beat the magazine time? 11.1 is crazy fast for what it is. Just my. 02
I do believe the magazines tests were done in real world conditions, and I also agree the C8 is very quick and will be a killer on the street. Even the trap of 122 and 123 indicates a better horespower to weight ratio than a C7 .
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Originally Posted by BJ67
I do believe the magazines tests were done in real world conditions, and I also agree the C8 is very quick and will be a killer on the street. Even the trap of 122 and 123 indicates a better horespower to weight ratio than a C7 .
What’s your definition of real world conditions?
The C8 going to be faster off the line on the street sure, just like an awd car is. To me comparing a great driver in great conditions on a great surface is the best way to compare different vehicles as that’s how the PAX index for SCCA is adjusted each year based on Nationals results. The dragstrip takes out traction limited issues which the C8 of course benefits from having gone mid engine and the gearing was increased because of that resulting in faster 0-60mph/60’ times. GM may be waiting for good air to post the best 1/4 mile time it can do like Dodge with the Demon I suppose or maybe the 11.3 in the brochure that was leaked is it given the mag times that are very close to that. Here’s a bone stock C7 trapping 123 and doing a low 3 second 0-60mph...

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Originally Posted by PRE-Z06
What’s your definition of real world conditions?
The C8 going to be faster off the line on the street sure, just like an awd car is. To me comparing a great driver in great conditions on a great surface is the best way to compare different vehicles as that’s how the PAX index for SCCA is adjusted each year based on Nationals results. The dragstrip takes out traction limited issues which the C8 of course benefits from having gone mid engine and the gearing was increased because of that resulting in faster 0-60mph/60’ times. GM may be waiting for good air to post the best 1/4 mile time it can do like Dodge with the Demon I suppose or maybe the 11.3 in the brochure that was leaked is it given the mag times that are very close to that. Here’s a bone stock C7 trapping 123 and doing a low 3 second 0-60mph...
https://youtu.be/UEpuJ_JdOoM
real world conditions meaning test is done in conditions easily available by most enthusiasts, average temps, average surface conditions and average DA. Also no super prep to the car itself and people with average to above average 1/4 mile driving skills. A average stock A8 C7 Z51 in 2500 to 3000 DA , OE tires, stock rear gear, on a mediocre prepped track, just does not do 11.3's . A 123mph trap indicates some extra horses hidden somewhere.
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Originally Posted by BJ67
real world conditions meaning test is done in conditions easily available by most enthusiasts, average temps, average surface conditions and average DA. Also no super prep to the car itself and people with average to above average 1/4 mile driving skills. A average stock A8 C7 Z51 in 2500 to 3000 DA , OE tires, stock rear gear, on a mediocre prepped track, just does not do 11.3's . A 123mph trap indicates some extra horses hidden somewhere.
The car mags were purposefully running the cars on non-prepped surfaces to mimic "real world". Not much driver skill needed in using modern launch control and letting the DCT bang the shifts at redline.
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You don't need a prepped track and cold weather when you have 650hp!
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The C7 guys on the fast list are not using launch control method. I did not use launch control with my stock convertible. So there is some driving skills even with the auto. And yes some would debate this. But with the C8 this launch control may be the ultimate for everyone. There should be no difference in the 1/4 mile. Let's just hope so.
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Originally Posted by BJ67
real world conditions meaning test is done in conditions easily available by most enthusiasts, average temps, average surface conditions and average DA. Also no super prep to the car itself and people with average to above average 1/4 mile driving skills. A average stock A8 C7 Z51 in 2500 to 3000 DA , OE tires, stock rear gear, on a mediocre prepped track, just does not do 11.3's . A 123mph trap indicates some extra horses hidden somewhere.
So how about using the NHRA correction factor which is almost the exact same as the STD correction factor on a dyno, that comes out to basically 0’ DA (60*/29.92)

SAE correction is ~2000’ DA which sounds like what you’re looking for, but that’s how a dyno number and a mph can be off a little in comparison
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What you are all forgetting is they did his at Fontana in Socal in early Sept at Fontana that never has a DA under 2000, not prepped and is uphill...The C8 will certainly be in 10s and over 123s @ MIR, Atco, or a Bradentons of the world...That ET & MPH is impressive to anyone that lives out here.

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Originally Posted by UBNZO6D
What you are all forgetting is they did his at Fontana in Socal in early Sept at Fontana that never has a DA under 2000, not prepped and is uphill...The C8 will certainly be in 10s and over 123s @ MIR, Atco, or a Bradentons of the world...That ET & MPH is impressive to anyone that lives out here.

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Certainly good to know. This means the 11.1 pass was easily achieved, and more important very beatable in better conditions.

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Originally Posted by UBNZO6D
What you are all forgetting is they did his at Fontana in Socal in early Sept at Fontana that never has a DA under 2000, not prepped and is uphill...The C8 will certainly be in 10s and over 123s @ MIR, Atco, or a Bradentons of the world...That ET & MPH is impressive to anyone that lives out here.

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Videos I watched MT started on the uphill side and ran towards the start! MT said Chevy locked it up every night. Maybe it was being breastfed VP MS 100.........as that stuff will give you a serious bang for the buck which could help explain these dyno numbers and times. Just saying..... as remember when one boy running Daytona had nitro gel pills which melted and helped kick that Toyota down the back straight away? Ya, they busted his azz big time, but it sure wasn't the first or last either.
Ford has no problems with the new GT 500 as it has videos running the 1/4 in Vegas @11.49.
time is around 8:50 mark on the video.
Where are the C8 videos running an NHRA dragstrip and showing times/mph at?
We all like the C8 as its a great new platform, just some of us want videos and real numbers and are not drinking this kool-aid....way to much sugar for us old folks.




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Originally Posted by UBNZO6D
What you are all forgetting is they did his at Fontana in Socal in early Sept at Fontana that never has a DA under 2000, not prepped and is uphill...The C8 will certainly be in 10s and over 123s @ MIR, Atco, or a Bradentons of the world...That ET & MPH is impressive to anyone that lives out here.

Greg
Question because I really don't know but don't they usually post times that are already corrected to take out the atmosphere handicap? At least I know they have before, did they do that here or don't we know? My gut says they did and they failed to leave that part out. Either way 11.1 is moving.
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Originally Posted by osu1978
MT admitted in the article they did not even have the gear ratios until after the dyno and results from their tests would be greatly affected due to this. All the data related to the dyno runs in the article is trash. I credit them for going to plan b after not being able to test MPG however to throw the thing on the dyno without even knowing the final drive ratio is just a waste of time.
On an enertia dyno, gear ratios make zero difference on peak hp/tq. Zero.
Now, the curves will look different, but maintain their corresponding profiles.



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