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Old 03-29-2024, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by C5racecar
8mm x 1.25. The length is 25mm of thread, plus a lead in of 3mm. Actually a 28mm bolt.
I think these will work fine. Amazon.com: 25 M8-1.25 X 30mm Metric Hex Head Sems Bolts 11501188 : Industrial & Scientific


I have a Craftsman socket E16 you can see in the top picture. It is not Torx plus, but it fits the bolt head.
The E16 is a regular torx socket, it might feel like it fit perfectly, but its doesn't and strips Torx Plus bolts very easily as you found.
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Originally Posted by dohabandit
These are special "Flow Drill Screws". They are installed by robots and actually tap the metal they are drilling into. Here's a pic:

Here's a great article on them:
https://www.assemblymag.com/articles...rs-shed-weight
Having retired from a manufacturing company, and significant time at another... these are COOL. Never heard of them until C8.

Now that the vehicle is assembled, I'm sure a hex head etc. would work, but Torx Plus is the right solution for the many roles of flow drill screws.
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The e16 on my shear plate do not look like those flow drill screws…
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The early C8 use e and later use ep.


Originally Posted by Pepe48134
The E16 is a regular torx socket, it might feel like it fit perfectly, but its doesn't and strips Torx Plus bolts very easily as you found.
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Even with the special adapter, it was slower to remove these since the socket needs to be perfectly aligned, or else it starts stripping. I don't have time for that, sorry! Just source Hex M8-1.25 x 25mm, and you're good : )
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Originally Posted by EvanD
The early C8 use e and later use ep.
My 2020 has low profile Torx Plus external wrenching bolts to secure the shear plate. I purchased a Lisle Torx Plus socket set just for these bolts:

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While the Lisle set isn't advertised as low profile sockets they have a very shallow chamfer compared to other Torx Plus sets. Real low profile Torx Plus sockets are expensive. The other option is to grind down the chamfer until the socket can get a good bite on the head. Using regular Torx Plus sockets on low profile Torx Plus bolts can strip the heads.
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My 2020 has low profile Torx Plus external wrenching bolts to secure the shear plate. I purchased a Lisle Torx Plus socket set just for these bolts:

https://www.amazon.com/Lisle-83100-E...IaAouiEALw_wcB

While the Lisle set isn't advertised as low profile sockets they have a very shallow chamfer compared to other Torx Plus sets. Real low profile Torx Plus sockets are expensive. The other option is to grind down the chamfer until the socket can get a good bite on the head. Using regular Torx Plus sockets on low profile Torx Plus bolts can strip the heads.
my 23' are also torx plus I have a set of the low profile sockets with a small chamfer it works fine on tedious alignment or problems wanting to strip, The right tool makes all the difference.
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So does anyone have a GM torque spec for these bolts?
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Originally Posted by cmonkey713
So does anyone have a GM torque spec for these bolts?
I made a thread when I changed my DCT fluid and attached the applicable sections from the service manual for removing/installing the shear plate which includes the torques:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...dct-fluid.html

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Originally Posted by EvanD
Agreed but now that mine are stripped (I bought the right socket) I’m not wanting to pay $3+ each for 21 of them. If I could find the etorx cheaper I’d get them.
And there you have the answer. Snap-On, Mac (Stanley) and the other tool manufacturers thank the automotive industry for requiring you to purchase another tool.
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Just astounding the technology that went into the design and application processes for these screws.
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Unless significant tension strength is required, I often replace steel screws/bolts with stainless steel just to avoid the appearance of rust. General purpose stainless steel screws/bolts are not very strong for tension loads. They really need anti-seize and it doesn't take much of a tension load for the heads to pop off.
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Have not run across any of those type of bolts yet. I guess weight savings, no matter how small, is a good thing.
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Originally Posted by dohabandit
These are special "Flow Drill Screws". They are installed by robots and actually tap the metal they are drilling into. Here's a pic:

Here's a great article on them:
https://www.assemblymag.com/articles...rs-shed-weight
Those look like the smaller self tap screws on the shock mount castings, and at the front of the back deck at the bottom of the window.
Yes, Self tappers = danger. You don't have too many choices with those, just put it back in and tighten carefully.

The bolts under the car on my 23 are not self tappers. You can see the lead in in the post #1 picture. No threads for the first 3 mm. No self tap threads.
They do look like that Torx Plus head. Amazing what you can learn about bolt technology.

Oh Brother. I bought external Torx sockets and had to modify all of them in the lathe because they had a deep chamfer that made them useless.
Now I have to buy Torx Plus.
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Originally Posted by cmonkey713
So does anyone have a GM torque spec for these bolts?
Looks like it is 21 Foot Pounds.
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Originally Posted by RKCRLR
I made a thread when I changed my DCT fluid and attached the applicable sections from the service manual for removing/installing the shear plate which includes the torques:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...dct-fluid.html
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Button head seems like it would be a good choice.
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Originally Posted by 22c8z51
Button head seems like it would be a good choice.
The problem with button head screws in an undercarriage environment is they can get damaged during scraping and become a PITA to remove. At least with normal fasteners you can usually get vice grips on them if all else fails.
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Did someone say weight savings? 🙃
How about some titanium hardware!
These look more aerodynamic too.
https://a.co/d/i2ozdps
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These were perfect for me. Exactly what I wanted. Big washer. Exactly the same length at the original.
Maybe they will rust eventually.
Amazon.com: 25 M8-1.25 X 30mm Metric Hex Head Sems Bolts 11501188 : Industrial & Scientific Amazon.com: 25 M8-1.25 X 30mm Metric Hex Head Sems Bolts 11501188 : Industrial & Scientific

I took the lower panel off today to find something I dropped. Found a few treasures in there. I found parts I had forgot were lost.


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These correct External Torx Plus Neiko branded sockets / tools have served me well & there's a deal at Amazon


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