Advice re buying a 2020 w/under 1000 miles
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Right now, one car Im looking at is listed at 7k under the original 2020 MSRP.
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Because the same new car now is $70k +, so is that worth $20k? Doesn't matter, I know I can sell my car for more than $53k.
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I have begun seriously looking at the C8 and came across a few 2020 C8's with under 6000 miles at local dealers lots.
One that I am interested in has under 1000 miles on it, loaded 3LT w/Z51 - looks new.....but it is not being offered as a GM Certified car.
Have not read all of the 149 pages on the C8 problems sticky but am aware there were DCT issues early on.
Am I crazy for considering buying this one? The dealer also has another 2020 with the same options but has over 4000 miles but still not offered as a GM Certified.
Bottom line, when buying a used C8 off a dealers lot - should I only look at ones that have the "Certified" label with a warranty?
One that I am interested in has under 1000 miles on it, loaded 3LT w/Z51 - looks new.....but it is not being offered as a GM Certified car.
Have not read all of the 149 pages on the C8 problems sticky but am aware there were DCT issues early on.
Am I crazy for considering buying this one? The dealer also has another 2020 with the same options but has over 4000 miles but still not offered as a GM Certified.
Bottom line, when buying a used C8 off a dealers lot - should I only look at ones that have the "Certified" label with a warranty?
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The MSRP increase is a pathetic joke, and 3k under is already the norm, and prices will continue to fall.
Only morons are buying used cars without significant savings from it's original MSRP.
Many sellers are due for a reality check.
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A new car price has absolutely nothing to do with your used car.
The MSRP increase is a pathetic joke, and 3k under is already the norm, and prices will continue to fall.
Only morons are buying used cars without significant savings from it's original MSRP.
Many sellers are due for a reality check.
The MSRP increase is a pathetic joke, and 3k under is already the norm, and prices will continue to fall.
Only morons are buying used cars without significant savings from it's original MSRP.
Many sellers are due for a reality check.
Are the morons buying used cars without significant savings any different from the morons that are paying thousands over msrp for a new one?
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Just about every brand and model within the brand takes in used vehicles at the brand-dealer and if in good condition will "certify" them as a good used car. Now, that's all relative to how much they do check it over, how much they fix first before resale, if anything, etc.
The program for "certified" by the brand's name dealers began in the mid-90s I think with possibly the first two being by BMW and Lexus. I don't know the reason for the BMW but I do know what it was for the Lexus. They had one model that began in the early 90s and didn't sell well. They finally thought to go the CPO and some big discounts on leasing, too.
The final title now is called "CPO" which stands for Certified Pre-Owned. I've actually seen a couple dealers (not Chev or Corvette, but it probably does happen) use the term "CPO" and it is not a brand-make certification; it's a dealer's own extended warranty. And when called out on it, they tend to change their advertising. Usually, if it is a brand-CPO, there will be some kind of logo or text color that shows it's the real thing. Only a really dumb dealer would use the CPO logo or print when it is not that at all. I haven't seen it done.
If it is a CPO vehicle, it will also be a little more expensive than the same model and option car because there is this warranty (extended service plan) running with the car. Just so you know...
The program for "certified" by the brand's name dealers began in the mid-90s I think with possibly the first two being by BMW and Lexus. I don't know the reason for the BMW but I do know what it was for the Lexus. They had one model that began in the early 90s and didn't sell well. They finally thought to go the CPO and some big discounts on leasing, too.
The final title now is called "CPO" which stands for Certified Pre-Owned. I've actually seen a couple dealers (not Chev or Corvette, but it probably does happen) use the term "CPO" and it is not a brand-make certification; it's a dealer's own extended warranty. And when called out on it, they tend to change their advertising. Usually, if it is a brand-CPO, there will be some kind of logo or text color that shows it's the real thing. Only a really dumb dealer would use the CPO logo or print when it is not that at all. I haven't seen it done.
If it is a CPO vehicle, it will also be a little more expensive than the same model and option car because there is this warranty (extended service plan) running with the car. Just so you know...
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A new car price has absolutely nothing to do with your used car.
The MSRP increase is a pathetic joke, and 3k under is already the norm, and prices will continue to fall.
Only morons are buying used cars without significant savings from it's original MSRP.
Many sellers are due for a reality check.
The MSRP increase is a pathetic joke, and 3k under is already the norm, and prices will continue to fall.
Only morons are buying used cars without significant savings from it's original MSRP.
Many sellers are due for a reality check.
#32
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People view cars as such disposable things these days that they want a used car to be 'less used' regardless of year produced, because of that subconscious perception of disposability.
Also most buyers arent even on CF, so they arent going to be thinking about DCT 'time bombs'.
OP: as others have said they should still be under factory power train warranty, so I say if the price is right go for it and purchase an extended powertrain-only warranty for peace of mind vis-a-vis the DCT.
Sure the electronics can lead to semi-pricey repairs but nothing approaching the DCT cost. I dunno if I'd go for the 1k miles example, but perhaps the 4k miles one. It seems like electronic gremlins typically occur early in the car's life. Personally I also disabled OTA updates on mine. They way I see it if the electronics are working they dont need to be updated. That's just me though.
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Agreed. I think mileage matters far more than model year unless the model year gap is more signifcant than a year or two.
People view cars as such disposable things these days that they want a used car to be 'less used' regardless of year produced, because of that subconscious perception of disposability.
Also most buyers arent even on CF, so they arent going to be thinking about DCT 'time bombs'.
OP: as others have said they should still be under factory power train warranty, so I say if the price is right go for it and purchase an extended powertrain-only warranty for peace of mind vis-a-vis the DCT.
Sure the electronics can lead to semi-pricey repairs but nothing approaching the DCT cost. I dunno if I'd go for the 1k miles example, but perhaps the 4k miles one. It seems like electronic gremlins typically occur early in the car's life. Personally I also disabled OTA updates on mine. They way I see it if the electronics are working they dont need to be updated. That's just me though.
People view cars as such disposable things these days that they want a used car to be 'less used' regardless of year produced, because of that subconscious perception of disposability.
Also most buyers arent even on CF, so they arent going to be thinking about DCT 'time bombs'.
OP: as others have said they should still be under factory power train warranty, so I say if the price is right go for it and purchase an extended powertrain-only warranty for peace of mind vis-a-vis the DCT.
Sure the electronics can lead to semi-pricey repairs but nothing approaching the DCT cost. I dunno if I'd go for the 1k miles example, but perhaps the 4k miles one. It seems like electronic gremlins typically occur early in the car's life. Personally I also disabled OTA updates on mine. They way I see it if the electronics are working they dont need to be updated. That's just me though.
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In March '23 purchased a a 2020 with 1365 miles. It had a CPO warranty; very happy with the car.
with 5 Camers, 28 modules, sensors, solenoid's and DCT would not own a C8 without an extended warranty (car has to be owned a month or driven 1000 miles before extended kicks in). Therefore no CPO would not buy.
Being a 2020 the transmission fluid has to be drained and replaced per GM (3 years) old. GM says for any transmission issues they will look at the maintenance records.
Besides the CPO I also have an extended zero deductible 7 year 56,000 mile warrantyWarranty Contacts
The two go to people for warranties on the forum are Dennis Fichtner at Laurel Chevy and Todd Sutherland at MacMulkin Chevy. If you decide to get an extended warranty, give them both a call and see what they can do
Warranties can be transferred if sold to a private party or a refund obtained on the unused portion if cancelled
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with 5 Camers, 28 modules, sensors, solenoid's and DCT would not own a C8 without an extended warranty (car has to be owned a month or driven 1000 miles before extended kicks in). Therefore no CPO would not buy.
Being a 2020 the transmission fluid has to be drained and replaced per GM (3 years) old. GM says for any transmission issues they will look at the maintenance records.
Besides the CPO I also have an extended zero deductible 7 year 56,000 mile warrantyWarranty Contacts
The two go to people for warranties on the forum are Dennis Fichtner at Laurel Chevy and Todd Sutherland at MacMulkin Chevy. If you decide to get an extended warranty, give them both a call and see what they can do
Warranties can be transferred if sold to a private party or a refund obtained on the unused portion if cancelled
Dennis Fichtner
Warranty Specialist
Laurel Chevrolet
406-698-6355
dfichtner@laurelchevy.com
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In 2020 the C8 did not have wireless Apple Car Play and wireless Android Auto. If you wanted to use Apple Car Play or Android Auto you needed to plug your phone into a USB cable.
Did a software update retroactively add that functionality to 2020s? It not, it may matter to some people, but not to others..
Did a software update retroactively add that functionality to 2020s? It not, it may matter to some people, but not to others..
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In 2020 the C8 did not have wireless Apple Car Play and wireless Android Auto. If you wanted to use Apple Car Play or Android Auto you needed to plug your phone into a USB cable.
Did a software update retroactively add that functionality to 2020s? It not, it may matter to some people, but not to others..
Did a software update retroactively add that functionality to 2020s? It not, it may matter to some people, but not to others..
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In 2020 the C8 did not have wireless Apple Car Play and wireless Android Auto. If you wanted to use Apple Car Play or Android Auto you needed to plug your phone into a USB cable.
Did a software update retroactively add that functionality to 2020s? It not, it may matter to some people, but not to others..
Did a software update retroactively add that functionality to 2020s? It not, it may matter to some people, but not to others..
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Yep I know a lot of morons who are millionaires and billionaires who go out and buy whatever they want, pay whatever it takes and enjoy anything they want.
They are not as smart as me cause I'm no millionaire. I've not heard them called morons before but maybe that fits??? I'll have to tell them to kept their pocket change and don't get gouged.
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https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2023...ming-the-drop/
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Just food for thought on used C8 prices: according to the article below prices are still falling significantly - the gap between supply and demand has been closing on Stingrays with record production last year, and probably will continue to close. So you may be in a good position to negotiate a better deal, or wait a bit longer and save some money. FYI, recently there was a post pertaining to a dealer selling a couple of new C8 allocation spots for $3k under MSRP or something like that. So, $7k under MSRP for a 4 year old C8 does not seem to me to be such a great value, even though the base price has gone up $10k. But, it is your money, so it is your decision:
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2023...ming-the-drop/
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2023...ming-the-drop/
Now just started looking again and finding more and more both new and used inventory hitting the dealers lots.
I'm not in a hurry and can wait for the C8 trade-ins coming in as the Z06 and now the E-Ray's are ramping up.
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