Thought I Was Lucky Until Today
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As everyone figured, the battery was bad, and was replaced under warranty. I also felt the battery tender was bad, and asked for it to be replaced under warranty. Reason is the tender was hooked up for 10 days, and showed green lights the entire time. Even when I couldn't start the car, the tender would show green lights when hooked up. If the battery was bad, the green lights should not have been on. Dealer is going to test the tender. Regardless, I'm getting a portable battery jump box for future issues, just in case.
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Took delivery of my 2023 coupe at the beginning of September. Car has 1,000 miles on it. Trouble-free until today.
Upon opening passenger door, noted chime ringing. Attempted to start car, but would not start. Display illuminated and showed following screens:
Low Battery
Service Power Steering System
Windshield Washer Fluid Low
Service Windshield Washer System
Service Theft Alarm
NOTE: Car is always attached to GM battery maintainer while parked in garage, and had been connected to maintainer for 10 days prior to problem.
Attempted to reset system by leaving door open 15 minutes and then closing. It was unsuccessful. Disconnected negative terminal of battery in an attempt to reset. Reconnected and attempted to start. Successfully started the car. Let car run a few minutes, and then shut down. Reconnected battery maintainer.
Attempted to start car later in the day in order to re-index windows. Would not start. Display showed same screens as noted above. Attempted battery disconnect again to reset, but it was unsuccessful. Reconnected battery cable and plugged in maintainer. After about 1 hour attempted to start car, and was successful. Let vehicle run about 30 minutes. Shutdown and attached battery maintainer.
We’ll see what happens next.
Upon opening passenger door, noted chime ringing. Attempted to start car, but would not start. Display illuminated and showed following screens:
Low Battery
Service Power Steering System
Windshield Washer Fluid Low
Service Windshield Washer System
Service Theft Alarm
NOTE: Car is always attached to GM battery maintainer while parked in garage, and had been connected to maintainer for 10 days prior to problem.
Attempted to reset system by leaving door open 15 minutes and then closing. It was unsuccessful. Disconnected negative terminal of battery in an attempt to reset. Reconnected and attempted to start. Successfully started the car. Let car run a few minutes, and then shut down. Reconnected battery maintainer.
Attempted to start car later in the day in order to re-index windows. Would not start. Display showed same screens as noted above. Attempted battery disconnect again to reset, but it was unsuccessful. Reconnected battery cable and plugged in maintainer. After about 1 hour attempted to start car, and was successful. Let vehicle run about 30 minutes. Shutdown and attached battery maintainer.
We’ll see what happens next.
Wishful thinking! After a couple more episodes like this in my garage where the battery was so dead I was unable to open the door. Neither could I gain access to the battery without the emergency mechanical cable. I finally decided to leave the car with my Corvette mechanic at my dealership, a guy who races Vettes and did great work sorting out issues on my C7 ZO6. Mind you, on each occasion my battery went dead in less than two weeks. While I did not have my Corvette battery charger connected, on those occasions when I did the charger never reached green - a full charge, and became quite hot to the touch.
My mechanic, after a couple of days of diagnosis, concluded that the battery was in excellent shape; it tested 97% after several charge recharge cycles. So there had to be a system issue causing this problem. Corroborating that theory he found that database updates were inoperative. It took over 6 gigabytes of data to bring it up to date. So he asked me to drive the car for 30 days or so to see if the problem was solved by the updates. But over the next two months, after two more replays of this debacle, I made another appointment to bring the car in for evaluation by the Chevrolet Engineering team to sort this out once and for all. They kept the car for two weeks doing remote satellite diagnosis with the engineering team. My mechanic became frustrated with the slow pace of progress and confided in me that the radio module was found to be defective fairly early on (the unit that receives transmissions for software updates), but it took two weeks of continuous testing before the team finally authorized a part replacement. Although my mechanic had diagnosed that same issue months before, he was unable to order the part on warranty without factory approval.
After replacement of the module my mechanic ran a test on battery draw. For an unattended parked vehicle I was told that the residual draw on the battery should not exceed 10 milliamps - yet mine was over 100 milliamps! To make a long story a bit shorter, after two more weeks of testing each system (each has its own module that acts as a circuit breaker) my mechanic finally was able to isolate the culprit. I know this will sound ridiculous but It turned out that the passenger seat lumbar support actuator was the culprit. After disconnecting and disabling it the draw dropped to 9 milliamps. A new actuator was ordered but was supply constrained for three weeks. Who cared?
I now have driven the car for nearly two months and everything seems to work perfectly. The battery remains fully charged without a charger and software updates are automatically completed. I realize I might have gone on for too long in my story, but the bottom line for those of you having battery drain issues is that the problem had nothing to do with my battery. My mechanic said that the factory engineers revealed to him that the C8 ZO6 has 600 modules! So the statistical probability of a module failure is much higher than you might think. Check your current draw right away if you are experiencing battery failures. And even if you find excessive current draw don't think you're out of the woods. The modules you need to access to disable electronic circuits are quite inaccessible - requiring removal of the battery in the frunk for the systems in the front of the car and removal of the vertical stainless steel trim between the seats to access the rear system controls- not a do it yourselfer job!
Hope this is helpful for those who find themselves in similar situations.
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As everyone figured, the battery was bad, and was replaced under warranty. I also felt the battery tender was bad, and asked for it to be replaced under warranty. Reason is the tender was hooked up for 10 days, and showed green lights the entire time. Even when I couldn't start the car, the tender would show green lights when hooked up. If the battery was bad, the green lights should not have been on. Dealer is going to test the tender. Regardless, I'm getting a portable battery jump box for future issues, just in case.
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As everyone figured, the battery was bad, and was replaced under warranty. I also felt the battery tender was bad, and asked for it to be replaced under warranty. Reason is the tender was hooked up for 10 days, and showed green lights the entire time. Even when I couldn't start the car, the tender would show green lights when hooked up. If the battery was bad, the green lights should not have been on. Dealer is going to test the tender. Regardless, I'm getting a portable battery jump box for future issues, just in case.
When a new battery goes bad, it's usually a bad connection between elements inside the battery. Like all bad connections, it is usually intermittent and can change depending on temperature, mechanical shock and the actual current you are trying to get in or out of the battery.
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I got the extended service contract on both cars for just this reason. It removes the "need approval from GM for warranty repair" from the equation.
I rarely take extended service contracts on cars, but it's been a while since I bought a new car and the cost and complexity of electronics in modern cars is getting a bit out of hand.
So far, before the Corvettes, I had it on three (used) cars and it did pay off on two! (a '1991 Maxima with a bad torque converter and a '2013 Infiniti FX37 with a bad transmission valve body). In both cases, the repair cost was the same or higher than what I paid for the service contract. The 3rd one was an '05 Altima V6 and if I had paid attention to the noise when it started, it would have paid for the timing chain tensioner. Instead, I waited until the service contract had expired...
I rarely take extended service contracts on cars, but it's been a while since I bought a new car and the cost and complexity of electronics in modern cars is getting a bit out of hand.
So far, before the Corvettes, I had it on three (used) cars and it did pay off on two! (a '1991 Maxima with a bad torque converter and a '2013 Infiniti FX37 with a bad transmission valve body). In both cases, the repair cost was the same or higher than what I paid for the service contract. The 3rd one was an '05 Altima V6 and if I had paid attention to the noise when it started, it would have paid for the timing chain tensioner. Instead, I waited until the service contract had expired...
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These from Anti-Gravity come in various capacities and are 15% off right now. I have one that's about ten years old that won't start a vehicle any more but still works fine for powering a laptop or recharging phones.