These trims and options are rubbish--anyone else?
10-29-2023, 06:49 PM
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10-29-2023, 09:06 PM
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No car is perfect. The C8 is a mass produced car built to a price point. With a few exceptions, every car maker bundles options into packages, and you take what the package offers or look elsewhere. No car can meet everyone's desires. The C8 is a damn good compromise at the price point. If it doesn't meet your needs or desires, there are only two options: Decide you really don't need everything you want, or shop elsewhere. GM isn't going to start custom building C8s just to make you happy. That's reality, and complaining won't change it.
You have more chance of finding a 911 with every option you want sitting in a dealer's showroom that you do getting GM to change the way it bundles options.
Yes, the choice is to compromise, no matter what. No matter what brand or model you buy, you're compromising. Even Porsche, with probably more options than anyone else, forces you to compromise. On price, on availability, on engine (where's the V8?), and more. Until you're rich enough to order custom built automobiles, compromise is a fact of life.
You have more chance of finding a 911 with every option you want sitting in a dealer's showroom that you do getting GM to change the way it bundles options.
Yes, the choice is to compromise, no matter what. No matter what brand or model you buy, you're compromising. Even Porsche, with probably more options than anyone else, forces you to compromise. On price, on availability, on engine (where's the V8?), and more. Until you're rich enough to order custom built automobiles, compromise is a fact of life.
They cannot possibly make everyone 100% happy with the choices available since every individual has different likes and wants - just the way it is. If you don’t like the choices that are available, and it means you won’t be able to compromise on your desires, then as others have said, perhaps a C8 is just not the car for you. Maybe another manufacturer can more closely match what you want in a build, albeit probably not at a comparable price point when matching the performance numbers.
Best of luck in whatever decision you make - it is a lot of money to not be happy.
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10-30-2023, 12:02 AM
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Just cough up some $. Have the entire interior torn out and replaced to your spec. All with higher quality leather etc.
10-30-2023, 06:25 AM
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According to the configurator pictures, there's a very visible difference in 2LZ vs 3LZ with respect to the trim panels. If you have it on MF sky-cool-grey, you can see what I mean. A-Pillars (And vents), B-Pillars, trim below the rear window, glovebox, etc. This is maddening to me. Because I detest the CF steering wheel & stitching, and the stitching on the door cards. And the light colors on these panels really does change the interior feel substantially. There's also no option to get the steering-wheel center color-matched to the seats. Someone clearly had a fetish for contrast stitching. And puking CF all over a car doesn't inherently improve feng shui.
I also don't see anywhere to opt for a non leather dash, and get a MF one instead. And there's no dipped option on sky-cool-grey so the best you can configure is mostly black interior, or go for panda.
Stealth interior trim package doesn't include paddle-shifters, gear selector trim, drive mode **** (only the trim), the badge on the bottom of the steering wheel, cupholder trim, pedals and footrest, etc. Would have been nice to have the door sills match on this also.
ZER requires you to get summer tires. So if you want Magnetic Selective Ride Control, you can't get all-season tires.
No option to get CF nacelles and A-Pillars--without the roof being CF also.
No option for factory debadging. Which is especially frustrating when some of it is being applied by the dealership at the terminal delivery point.
Stealth emblem doesn't appear to apply to any other badging on the exterior (z06, eray, CORVETTE lettering, etc).
No HTC see-through panel; only the interior cover. So you need to go aftermarket HTC mod to get that on the outside, and the inside panel isn't as well done as various aftermarket ones.
No factory-tinted options for the tail-lights (even RAM pickups have this on some models). Call me crazy, but I don't think RED works on colors that aren't monochromatic. Oh, and 6th gen Camaro exemplifies what could be done to minimize the color (as opposed to C7 WHITE z06 tails)--so it's not like Chevy doesn't know how to dark-tint them.
No RGB ambient lighting option.
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Sorry for the rant. These just seem like obvious, glaring oversights that could have been corrected. And I wouldn't even mind paying a bit more to have additional flexibility on this stuff.
I also don't see anywhere to opt for a non leather dash, and get a MF one instead. And there's no dipped option on sky-cool-grey so the best you can configure is mostly black interior, or go for panda.
Stealth interior trim package doesn't include paddle-shifters, gear selector trim, drive mode **** (only the trim), the badge on the bottom of the steering wheel, cupholder trim, pedals and footrest, etc. Would have been nice to have the door sills match on this also.
ZER requires you to get summer tires. So if you want Magnetic Selective Ride Control, you can't get all-season tires.
No option to get CF nacelles and A-Pillars--without the roof being CF also.
No option for factory debadging. Which is especially frustrating when some of it is being applied by the dealership at the terminal delivery point.
Stealth emblem doesn't appear to apply to any other badging on the exterior (z06, eray, CORVETTE lettering, etc).
No HTC see-through panel; only the interior cover. So you need to go aftermarket HTC mod to get that on the outside, and the inside panel isn't as well done as various aftermarket ones.
No factory-tinted options for the tail-lights (even RAM pickups have this on some models). Call me crazy, but I don't think RED works on colors that aren't monochromatic. Oh, and 6th gen Camaro exemplifies what could be done to minimize the color (as opposed to C7 WHITE z06 tails)--so it's not like Chevy doesn't know how to dark-tint them.
No RGB ambient lighting option.
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Sorry for the rant. These just seem like obvious, glaring oversights that could have been corrected. And I wouldn't even mind paying a bit more to have additional flexibility on this stuff.
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10-30-2023, 07:05 AM
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You do have some errors I'll point out. Your statement in Red:
ZER requires you to get summer tires. So if you want Magnetic Selective Ride Control, you can't get all-season tires. Yep I have the ZER Performance Option on my E-Ray build (now @ 3000.) It's only $500 but as Tadge has quantified it ONLY includes the Z06 Performance tires versus All Season. That is the tire cost difference. ALL E-Ray's come standard with MRC. Tadge said it's the same suspension and settings. Unlike other Vettes where they caution about switching say Base C8 all season to Z51 summer tires as there are suspension differences that match tires they found in testing that was no need with the E-Ray.
No option for factory debadging. Which is especially frustrating when some of it is being applied by the dealership at the terminal delivery point. Actually all factory badges are attached with double sided tape. I understand they may include a package of waxed dentil floss as that is all you (or your detailer) need to remove badges.
Sorry for the rant. These just seem like obvious, glaring oversights that could have been corrected. And I wouldn't even mind paying a bit more to have additional flexibility on this stuff Since you don't mind paying more just take my Bugatti Chiron suggestion!
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10-30-2023, 07:40 AM
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Back in the day you could hand pick options now most manufacturers bundle items, this will be my second C8 and IMO the best all-around sports car for $$$.
Love my 2LT package with GT2 seats.
Love my 2LT package with GT2 seats.
10-30-2023, 09:35 AM
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Flaws are one thing personal preference is another. I’m sure we could all find things we don’t like about everything we encounter in our daily life but then we would be miserable all the time. Some people thrive on negativity and I think we have a good number of them here on our forums. I feel the OP feels miserable about something and just wants to share his misery with others. You know the old saying “misery loves company “.
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10-30-2023, 09:52 AM
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Carravagio will be happy to remake the interior any way you want, for a price.
10-30-2023, 09:52 AM
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Flaws are one thing personal preference is another. I’m sure we could all find things we don’t like about everything we encounter in our daily life but then we would be miserable all the time. Some people thrive on negativity and I think we have a good number of them here on our forums. I feel the OP feels miserable about something and just wants to share his misery with others. You know the old saying “misery loves company “.
I picked the amount of rear end narrowing and "tub." Also the amount of engine set back in the very ridged TCI chassis. Visited them in CA and picked coilovers and disk brakes in all 4 corners. Turned out the 3000 lb Street Rod has 53% of its weight on the 16.5" section width Mickey Thompson tires. The judges like it as well!
Assembled its 8.2 Liter Chevy 502/502 engine from some 30 boxes that came in a large wood crate.
With set back engine and tubs no room for a rear seat so made a "sound wall." Had an "interior artist" produce an award-winning car! Fixed price, took 3 folks 3 weeks and never told me he was going to match the exterior flame!
10-30-2023, 10:00 AM
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According to the configurator pictures, there's a very visible difference in 2LZ vs 3LZ with respect to the trim panels. If you have it on MF sky-cool-grey, you can see what I mean. A-Pillars (And vents), B-Pillars, trim below the rear window, glovebox, etc. This is maddening to me. Because I detest the CF steering wheel & stitching, and the stitching on the door cards. And the light colors on these panels really does change the interior feel substantially. There's also no option to get the steering-wheel center color-matched to the seats. Someone clearly had a fetish for contrast stitching. And puking CF all over a car doesn't inherently improve feng shui.
I also don't see anywhere to opt for a non leather dash, and get a MF one instead. And there's no dipped option on sky-cool-grey so the best you can configure is mostly black interior, or go for panda.
Stealth interior trim package doesn't include paddle-shifters, gear selector trim, drive mode **** (only the trim), the badge on the bottom of the steering wheel, cupholder trim, pedals and footrest, etc. Would have been nice to have the door sills match on this also.
ZER requires you to get summer tires. So if you want Magnetic Selective Ride Control, you can't get all-season tires.
No option to get CF nacelles and A-Pillars--without the roof being CF also.
No option for factory debadging. Which is especially frustrating when some of it is being applied by the dealership at the terminal delivery point.
Stealth emblem doesn't appear to apply to any other badging on the exterior (z06, eray, CORVETTE lettering, etc).
No HTC see-through panel; only the interior cover. So you need to go aftermarket HTC mod to get that on the outside, and the inside panel isn't as well done as various aftermarket ones.
No factory-tinted options for the tail-lights (even RAM pickups have this on some models). Call me crazy, but I don't think RED works on colors that aren't monochromatic. Oh, and 6th gen Camaro exemplifies what could be done to minimize the color (as opposed to C7 WHITE z06 tails)--so it's not like Chevy doesn't know how to dark-tint them.
No RGB ambient lighting option.
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Sorry for the rant. These just seem like obvious, glaring oversights that could have been corrected. And I wouldn't even mind paying a bit more to have additional flexibility on this stuff.
I also don't see anywhere to opt for a non leather dash, and get a MF one instead. And there's no dipped option on sky-cool-grey so the best you can configure is mostly black interior, or go for panda.
Stealth interior trim package doesn't include paddle-shifters, gear selector trim, drive mode **** (only the trim), the badge on the bottom of the steering wheel, cupholder trim, pedals and footrest, etc. Would have been nice to have the door sills match on this also.
ZER requires you to get summer tires. So if you want Magnetic Selective Ride Control, you can't get all-season tires.
No option to get CF nacelles and A-Pillars--without the roof being CF also.
No option for factory debadging. Which is especially frustrating when some of it is being applied by the dealership at the terminal delivery point.
Stealth emblem doesn't appear to apply to any other badging on the exterior (z06, eray, CORVETTE lettering, etc).
No HTC see-through panel; only the interior cover. So you need to go aftermarket HTC mod to get that on the outside, and the inside panel isn't as well done as various aftermarket ones.
No factory-tinted options for the tail-lights (even RAM pickups have this on some models). Call me crazy, but I don't think RED works on colors that aren't monochromatic. Oh, and 6th gen Camaro exemplifies what could be done to minimize the color (as opposed to C7 WHITE z06 tails)--so it's not like Chevy doesn't know how to dark-tint them.
No RGB ambient lighting option.
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Sorry for the rant. These just seem like obvious, glaring oversights that could have been corrected. And I wouldn't even mind paying a bit more to have additional flexibility on this stuff.
I think they are just looking to protect you from yourself....
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11-02-2023, 01:27 AM
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You raise some good points but they’re mixed in with very subjective takes and some wrong info.
All E-Rays have MSRC. ZER is basically a tire package.
ZER requires you to get summer tires. So if you want Magnetic Selective Ride Control, you can't get all-season tires.
11-02-2023, 07:07 AM
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IMO, Bugatti would likely have a difficult time complying with your taste. Your glass is not even half empty, it is empty. Anyone who looks at the Vette's order guide will know there are hundreds of combinations for a personal build and if you can't find a single combination to satisfy your complex taste the Corvette is certainly not for you.
Just being straight forward, you ask we reply. Not intended to be offensive.
George
Just being straight forward, you ask we reply. Not intended to be offensive.
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most the exteriors were pretty bland too.
wasn’t enough to dissuade me from getting it, but at the same time the lack of decent color choices will always be my biggest critique
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11-02-2023, 07:53 AM
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Black is the "we gave up on creativity and imagination" option by GM. I'll bet that over 90% of the C8 generation will have black interior trim panels. Because the only ones without will be pretty much 3LT/3LZ equivalent with dipped red or natural, SCG or artemis. Which really leads me down the 3LZ SCG route.
Basic design principle suggests that small rooms get painted light colors to maximize the space and minimize claustrophobic feel. Why should 2-seat cars be any different?
Basic design principle suggests that small rooms get painted light colors to maximize the space and minimize claustrophobic feel. Why should 2-seat cars be any different?
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11-02-2023, 08:34 AM
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11-02-2023, 09:58 AM
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^^^
Phil, I agree, surprised they can offer all the options they do. It's an assembly line with fixed times for each station/operation.
Years ago I attended a exec level meeting with the "father" of Manufacturing Resource Planning (MRP,) Ollie Wight. My group was to consolidate the "family forecasts" for our equipment plant from 6 reginal sales/field engineering offices. The corporation allowed our equipment plant to buy an IBM Mainframe when their policy was all computing would be done in one location in Tarrytown NY, 4 levels underground. But our 100,000 equipment parts required a mainframe to crunch the MRP numbers took 6 hours each night.
Few attending were asking questions. The President of our Industrial Gas Division was not a manufacturing guy. When Ollie got to how the system can predict what should be built on what factory machine each day I asked if that is what automotive does to get the right parts for each car coming down the line. Recall he said nope, they use clout. They tell their many vendors who have facilities near an assembly plant that could mount tires but may just have warehouse facilities, to bring XYZ to Doc 12 next Tuesday between 1and 2PM (as others are slated at different times.) Recall he said and they are told if you can't do it 3 others are waiting to take that business!
So some of the burden of having the right things for a given car is at the vendor. Can only have so many variants before the system comes to a halt.
Phil, I agree, surprised they can offer all the options they do. It's an assembly line with fixed times for each station/operation.
Years ago I attended a exec level meeting with the "father" of Manufacturing Resource Planning (MRP,) Ollie Wight. My group was to consolidate the "family forecasts" for our equipment plant from 6 reginal sales/field engineering offices. The corporation allowed our equipment plant to buy an IBM Mainframe when their policy was all computing would be done in one location in Tarrytown NY, 4 levels underground. But our 100,000 equipment parts required a mainframe to crunch the MRP numbers took 6 hours each night.
Few attending were asking questions. The President of our Industrial Gas Division was not a manufacturing guy. When Ollie got to how the system can predict what should be built on what factory machine each day I asked if that is what automotive does to get the right parts for each car coming down the line. Recall he said nope, they use clout. They tell their many vendors who have facilities near an assembly plant that could mount tires but may just have warehouse facilities, to bring XYZ to Doc 12 next Tuesday between 1and 2PM (as others are slated at different times.) Recall he said and they are told if you can't do it 3 others are waiting to take that business!
So some of the burden of having the right things for a given car is at the vendor. Can only have so many variants before the system comes to a halt.
