SteveUSAFCSAR

So... assuming I tell Gieco I drive her 3K miles a year (and billed accordingly) ... and with Onstar Smart Driver on... which it is.. and it showing my trips.. and I exceed the 3K...and if the info is passed to Gieco... I imagine I get we caught you letter? Could that be possible?

BasicMember

It could be possible or not. The thing is it could be illegal or simply lacking agreement between agencies to transfer your data... today. But tomorrow it could change without notice.

22c8z51

If you're using onstar for an insurance discount with geico, obviously you should *not* disconnect onstar. Geico will notice that, and for good reason accuse you of fraud. Ask geico for a separate transponder. I have the state farm device in my c8, and despite all the complaints about fast cornering and brisk acceleration, I still get a big discount.

This might seem self-contradictory, but state farm gives me at least $800/year discount for selling my data, and I can cancel if I don't like that. GM is not paying me, and not giving me the opttion.

SteveUSAFCSAR

Roger that!... Smart Driver... is now off! Thanks, Mate...

C8J

Frankly, Google is the real Big Brother! I'll have a conversation with someone (usually significant other) - NOT ON THE PHONE, in person and seconds to minutes later an Advertisement for that item, even as obscure or remote the topic was, appears on my phone in what ever ap I may have open. They are listening even when the phone is "off" !!!!!!!!!!!!

So even the 160+ ECUs, chips, ... on the C8 is small in comparison.

Rocketmanwpb

I hate to tell you guys but we live in the, "They know everything about you state ". Your phone tracks you at all times. There are stationary license plate cameras in the thousands, wreckers have them, cops have them, repossessors have them and the data is exchanged through numerous agencies and corporations. Then you have the stationary cameras all over the place.

SteveUSAFCSAR

Thank you.. s

drwoof

Thanks for posting this information. I was enrolled, as the apparent default. We're being monitored, and everything we say and do can and will be used against us. Big Brother only wants the best for us...

gve

Go in your phone settings and turn off Always Listen For Hey Siri. If you have a IPhone, you can still use Siri by pushing the right button.
Also turn off Sound Recognition

C8J

Android here, no SIRI

philbert_s

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/t...insurance.html

BasicMember

I'm not sure which is worse tracking our driving habits and reporting them for financial gain or requiring an account @ NYT to read about it.

Andybump

Like pulling the tag off the mattress. Seriously, I doubt it illegal. It it was, the same could be said for pulling the battery out of your cell phone. The right to collect data (if they even have it) is only when you provide it. the data.They can't (generally) force you provide data.

BasicMember

That's just not true. How many knowingly provide telematics? Or how many read the users agreements they sign which are intentionally written to make ours eyes glaze over? After all they are collecting data whether we like it or not.

JToddH

I chose NOT to activate OnStar when I read the Privacy Statement. It's insane. The real problem is that even if you don't agree to OnStar and its horrific privacy agreement, your car still uploads the info to Chevy to do with what they wish. According to GM, there is no way to keep your car from uploading this information.

Walt White Coupe

When did GM start OnStar Smart Driver in the C8?

This article in the NYT today is very disturbing. I believe GM started this OnStar program beginning with the 2024 model but I'm not 100% sure. It has some helpful links at the end.

Automakers Are Sharing Consumers’ Driving Behavior With Insurance Companies - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

LexisNexis, which generates consumer risk profiles for the insurers, knew about every trip G.M. drivers had taken in their cars, including when they sped, braked too hard or accelerated rapidly.

How to Find Out What Your Car Is Doing

• See the data your car is capable of collecting with this tool: https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/.
  
• Check your connected car app, if you use one, to see if you are enrolled in one of these programs.
  
• Do an online search for “privacy request form” alongside the name of your vehicle’s manufacturer. There should be instructions on how to request information your car company has about you.
  
• Request your LexisNexis report: https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/consumer
  
• Request your Verisk report: https://fcra.verisk.com/#/
  

wayback

It will be my last GM if that’s true.

Andybump

My statement was ambiguous. I'll go back and fix it. I was trying to say that the right to collect data (if they even have it) is only when the data are provided. That right to collect those data (whether granted intentionally, inadvertently, or by law) does not include forcing one to provide the data in my opinion. Meaning its not illegal to disconnect OnStar. If you think it is, see if you can find a statement that says "interference with the right to collect data, by turning off, disabling. disconnecting a source of data is prohibited by law and carries a penalty of ....yada yada". Such a rule, if it exists, would apply to cell phones, your lap top, etc. And, I made no comment about whether one knows they are providing those data. It was about whether or not you can disconnect the telematics module.

BandDirector

Don’t know when they started, and I didn’t know anything about it until I saw a thread in this forum on it! I found the thread right after my 325 mile drive home from the dealer and when I saw a stat in the App of % of time spent above 80 mph, I couldn’t flip that thing off fast enough! Mine’s a ‘24.

…I have no doubt I’m still being tracked, it’s just not appearing in the App anymore…

Walt White Coupe

Problem is, is that it's not just GM.