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Just read that the new Blazer EV will include 8 years of subscription to connected services. Will be interesting to see if they do that for the C8.
My '23 has included 3 years of "limited" connected services. No OnStar but I can locate the car, check the vitals and start the engine remotely through the app with the car on some random parking lot. It's convenient. The cost $300/3 years) was included in the price of the car. I may continue that service when it expires. $10/month is low enough that I would pay for it even if I only use it occasionally. $24/month would definitely make me reconsider.
My '23 has included 3 years of "limited" connected services. No OnStar but I can locate the car, check the vitals and start the engine remotely through the app with the car on some random parking lot. It's convenient. The cost $300/3 years) was included in the price of the car. I may continue that service when it expires. $10/month is low enough that I would pay for it even if I only use it occasionally. $24/month would definitely make me reconsider.
I don't think the limited connected services will be enough for Google Maps since it doesn't include any data, but I could be wrong about that.
Just read that the new Blazer EV will include 8 years of subscription to connected services. Will be interesting to see if they do that for the C8.
GM having to throw this in due to the huge negative press re: subscription services and lack of Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
I believe Google in their constant battle for dominance with Apple went to GM and said: “let us build you a complete Driver Interface system for free, and you, GM will be able to charge for various service packages and make tons of more money over the life of the vehicle. Just one thing; there’ll be no AppleCarPlay but we promise no one will notice or care since our/your new system will be so superior”.
Complete BS of course, and just another way that Google/GM will be able to track your every move. Unlike ACP where all of your vehicle related data remains on your phone and is not shared with GM; hence unable to be monetized!
Despite this change, CarPlay will still be fully functional as it is on earlier MYs. Under the Offline Maps setting in the Google Maps app on my phone, I have "auto-download recommended maps" and "Auto-update offline maps" selected.
With those options selected GPS on the phone will keep you on-route if a cell signal is not available.
If we don't carry a subscription-based data plan, Would the front lift still do the auto up-and-down feature based on stored locations? Or should there be a hot spot connection from my phone to the car?
2020 Corvette of the Year Finalist (performance mods)
C4 of Year Winner (performance mods) 2019
Originally Posted by njexpress
If we don't carry a subscription-based data plan, Would the front lift still do the auto up-and-down feature based on stored locations? Or should there be a hot spot connection from my phone to the car?
Front lift works off of GPS coordinates, not actual map data.
2020 Corvette of the Year Finalist (performance mods)
C4 of Year Winner (performance mods) 2019
Of course, having said that, there's nothing to prevent GM from changing it to work off map data in future model years, thus requiring the subscription to for the memory function.
Most think they are better off using the phone based navigation with the current on-board navigation system, especially those who download maps on their phone and then navigate in cell dead zones using the phone's built in satellite navigation receiver (as noted by several above). I use Waze on my 2021 and rarely use the on board navigation system. The current on-board navigation system is not all peaches and cream either. While you don't need a subscription you have to buy the updated maps or the maps become obsolete. The statement about the new system says it requires a subscription for "full functionality" and specifically mentions the capability to download maps for use in the cell dead zones. So we know a subscription is needed for that case with the 2024. It implies that some functionality may be available without a subscription. We'll have to see how it unfolds.
I could be wrong, but with CarPlay, one can still download maps for offline use to the phone for use when there no cell signal, and which will be mirrored on the screen in CarPlay. I think the above means off-line maps won’t be downloaded to the car’s in-board memory without a subscription. They can still be downloaded to the phone with a connection prior to starting a trip and used with CarPlay.
I can’t remember a time when I’ve not had a cell signal anywhere I’ve been east of the Mississippi.
I could be wrong, but with CarPlay, one can still download maps for offline use to the phone for use when there no cell signal, and which will be mirrored on the screen in CarPlay. I think the above means off-line maps won’t be downloaded to the car’s in-board memory without a subscription. They can still be downloaded to the phone with a connection prior to starting a trip and used with CarPlay.
I can’t remember a time when I’ve not had a cell signal anywhere I’ve been east of the Mississippi.
Yes, I agree. If you have downloaded maps to your phone, and the nav software on you phone supports use of the downloaded maps on the phone in a cell dead region, and if that nav app also is one that carplay supports, it will all work in a dead zone.
I recently travelled through the national radio silence zone in Pocahontas county, WV. Its home to the Green Bank radio telescope. It is a very large region in which there are not cell towers or signals, and only limite WiFi. Using Waze, I planned my trip when connected to WiFi. Waze continued to navigate in that regions even though the phone and Waze indicated no cell connection. I experimented with that. I turned Waze off completely then back on while in the middle of nowhere with no cell. It was able to restart the trip and navigate using the map data it had already downloaded. I then tried to plan trips to different locations - but still near the areas I had traveled through, all the way back to Maryland. It would plan trips to and provide a route to destinations that were around areas where I had travelled. In other words it had downloaded map data and was able to use that data to create routes after being turned off and back on. Some had reported that Waze would not do that - but it did, and I saved screen shots as proof. It did this with no cell connection, and no Wifi connection. It would not plan a route to areas in other directions where I had not previously travelled that day. In my case, it was using maps it had downloaded on its own. I did not pre-down load any maps, but that is another way to do it.
I don't think the limited connected services will be enough for Google Maps since it doesn't include any data, but I could be wrong about that.
I specifically asked my Corvette specialist that question. Connected Services will not update the Google Maps, you must have OnStar plan for that function.
Has anyone with a 2024 Corvette confirmed whether the vehicle's Navigation system is functional as basic GPS without having a paid subscription plan? I realize that it would not include the "real-time" nav and traffic updates described in the post above by Andybump.
BTW: Mary Ybarra, GM CEO, says that they plan for making significant revenue in future years with subscription services.
As every other automaker plans to. BMW already charges a subscription for heated seats in some countries, and Toyota tried charging a fee to enable remote start from the keyfob, but backed off after facing a ton of criticism from owners.
All 2024 Corvettes will be equipped with the Onstar system. The OnStar system includes a GPS receiver and processor. I "believe" the data subscription that allows "full functionality" enables real-time information such as traffic conditions, detours, road construction, etc. Without a subscription, the 2024 Nav system will function just like the prior versions. JMO...
Unless I am doing something wrong this is not true. When my OnStar trial ended my nav stopped working, all I get now when I press the nav button is a blank map, And it tells me a subscription is needed to continue.
Has anyone with a 2024 Corvette confirmed whether the vehicle's Navigation system is functional as basic GPS without having a paid subscription plan? I realize that it would not include the "real-time" nav and traffic updates described in the post above by Andybump.
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