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Chevy has bumped the HP every now and then on past generations, but did not do so on the base car for the C7. Would be good if they did it on the C8 base car.
Re-engineering the npp exhaust to get more sound into the cabin like the z06 exhaust in sport mode for stingray and upcoming eray would be an even smarter move than extra hp. Ill take the extra hp and tq yet a little more roar in a closed cockpit would be most welcome as I daily drive my c8 z51 with npp and miss alittle bit of the roar with a closed cockpit.
outside the car the current exhaust sounds great but inside with a closed cockpit is slightly less than what I experienced in previous generation corvettes stock npp exhaust systems.
Pretty wild speculation based on a couple of EPA certification pipes. Could be needed to certify the engine with the dreaded auto start/stop system in place? That would be funny if everyone looking at a 2024 build thinks they are getting 10 extra horsepower but they get auto start/stop instead. And you can be sure it will be the type that has to be switched off every single time you get in the car.
All that said, there definitely seems to be a little room for the Stingray to crest that 500hp barrier with the Z06 at +180hp over the base model. I can also visualize a circumstance wherein they give you an extra 10 ponies in partial exchange for a significant price hike. "Sorry, Mr. Jones, I know the base MSRP was $61,000 when you placed your deposit but it's now $69,990. But you get 500 horsepower."
Chevy has bumped the HP every now and then on past generations, but did not do so on the base car for the C7. Would be good if they did it on the C8 base car.
Mustang GT is getting 480hp next year. The Dark Horse gets a slightly retuned Coyote for 500hp. No Vette model should have less power than a non-Shelby Mustang.
Mustang GT is getting 480hp next year. The Dark Horse gets a slightly retuned Coyote for 500hp. No Vette model should have less power than a non-Shelby Mustang.
Was thinking the same thing awhile back when they introduced the Dark Horse.
Even with 500hp, doubt the Mustang will hit the 0-60 time the Vette does. HP isn’t everything, at least to me.
For you and I yes, there are other qualities that make the Vette > Mustang. But marketing is important. And price, Imagine the 500hp Mustand selling for $20K less than base vette with 490hp.
Wonder if those spy pics showing the test mule with long exhaust pipe has anything to do with the differences seen between the NPP chrome tip exhaust and the new NPP black tip exhaust option where the outside pipe diameter on the black tip NPP exhaust is noticeably larger? There was a discussion regarding this in the thread below.
More HP is never a bad thing. But honestly I don't think this car is missing it.
I would much rather them improve the throttle response from the factory. Feels way too anemic to me too often and I feel like I have to press the pedal more than I'd like to get the response I want.
For you and I yes, there are other qualities that make the Vette > Mustang. But marketing is important. And price, Imagine the 500hp Mustand selling for $20K less than base vette with 490hp.
I just don't see the non Shelby mustangs as true competitors to the C8. The C8 offers so much more compared to the Mustang. I imagine a 500hp Mustang is more likely to get folks to stretch up into one vs folks down grading from a C8. Of course some will, but I doubt it will be many.
Heck, the C8 makes 100hp more than the base 911, yet is $35k cheaper. The C8 is sort of in a no-man's land for performance vs price vs features IMO. Which is what makes it so damned awesome. You're either paying a lot more to get into a Porsche, BMW, etc, or compromising elsewhere when you pay less.
I am quite sure the C8 is stealing some Porsche sales
Originally Posted by blueapplepaste
I just don't see the non Shelby mustangs as true competitors to the C8. The C8 offers so much more compared to the Mustang. I imagine a 500hp Mustang is more likely to get folks to stretch up into one vs folks down grading from a C8. Of course some will, but I doubt it will be many.
Heck, the C8 makes 100hp more than the base 911, yet is $35k cheaper. The C8 is sort of in a no-man's land for performance vs price vs features IMO. Which is what makes it so damned awesome. You're either paying a lot more to get into a Porsche, BMW, etc, or compromising elsewhere when you pay less.
Why does anyone think a car with thousands on the waitlist is going to get any changes? If GM does anything, it's improve fuel economy (aka, auto start/stop on all vettes). I think they are getting hammered because of the Z06 and they have to do something. But more HP? Unlikely.
Mustang GT is getting 480hp next year. The Dark Horse gets a slightly retuned Coyote for 500hp. No Vette model should have less power than a non-Shelby Mustang.
already happened. My 2019 bullitt mustang had 480hp, base 5.0 had 460 which was the same as a c7gs and base c7 was 455.
Copied this from the "other" forum about mid-engine Corvettes posted by a German resident. TLDR; EU has new compliance requirements for 2024 and this C8 is an emissions test car for the EU verifiable in the spy shots.
Originally Posted by Ace
I can give you the answer what we are seeing here, it has nothing to do with getting more power.
From Mid 2024 all new vehicles in europe need more assist systems then before. New additions are things like mandatory emergency braking, emergency lane assist and an interface that allows later installation of alcohol level measurement devices. Since these regulations obviously mean the weigth of the car will change carmakers have to do a new homologation which always include emission tests - That's why this car has the PEMS (portable emissions measurement system) exhaust installed.
So why am I sure, that this is what we are seeing here? Just look closely at the pictures. There is only one thing that distinguishes US and EU C8s: The reflecting areas of rear- and headlights.
Here is an older US (above) and EU (below) C8 comparison from me. The car in the pictures has the clear reflectors instead of the orange/red US model ones.
Originally Posted by Ace
But an even better indicator that I'm right is this picture. Notice how the brake light is only half of the outer chamber. That's the european setup of the lights. Inner chamber is rear driving light, inner half of the outer chamber is the turn signal and only the outer half of the outer chamber is the brake light
The US model brake setup uses the full outer chamber as brake light and sequential turn signal at the same time.
The JDM car nut side of me is fawning over those Euro headlights with clear side reflectors/amber delete.
Last edited by switchlanez; 12-19-2022 at 05:53 AM.
12-17-2022, 11:22 PM
Stingray Getting More Ponies Next Year? Could be.
The JDM car nut side of me is fawning over those Euro headlights with clear side reflectors/amber delete.