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You need a bit of a proof-read on this one, but agreed mid-engine has more potential for speed around a track and is more challenging to drive with nannies off. These are the two reasons I ordered one for my next track car.
In more than 9 years of ownership and 60,000 miles I have never found my mid-engine 328 GTB Ferrari challenging to drive hard - at 34-years of age it has NO nannies. I love the old beast, but with the C8 it's time for the 328 to find a new home - at 80+ years old I only need one truly great car at a time.
In more than 9 years of ownership and 60,000 miles I have never found my mid-engine 328 GTB Ferrari challenging to drive hard - at 34-years of age it has NO nannies. I love the old beast, but with the C8 it's time for the 328 to find a new home - at 80+ years old I only need one truly great car at a time.
I meant driving at the limit. No car is actually difficult to drive with nannies off otherwise. Also, the 328 isn’t exactly a fast car.
No offense, but I’m 99% sure that you aren’t driving your 328 “hard”. Have you ever even taken it to a track?
Comparing Z models to the base car is never going to be favorable to the base car. C7 Z51 did a 7:33, so C8 Z51 is faster.
The C7 actually didn't. That's was segmented time and I believe the real time was about 10 seconds behind the C8 Z51. Nothing I hate more than segmented times cherry pick the best.
I have a C8 currently and it replaced my 2005 C6. I never expected the C8 to be a lot faster or perhaps even a little faster than front engine cars. The front engine Corvettes were often faster around a track than the mid and rear engine cars produced by the competition.
Having said that, I really enjoy my C8, although I do think my C6 was a more fun and interesting car to drive for exactly the same reasons that the C8 is a better car than the C6.
All the "faults" in the C6 gave it character :. If I had more garage space and a little more money, I'd have a C6 and a C8.
I meant driving at the limit. No car is actually difficult to drive with nannies off otherwise. Also, the 328 isn’t exactly a fast car.
No offense, but I’m 99% sure that you aren’t driving your 328 “hard”. Have you ever even taken it to a track?
Not bashing the Ferrari at all, but you're also talking about a 270hp car with a 5.5 0-60. I've never driven one, so I can't speak from experience, but I've driven a 430 and a 458 on the track and they can get wild. If you're not ready for a high horsepower mid engine it can rotate on the center axis and throw you somewhere you don't want to go pretty quickly. Even recovering from oversteer is just... different than a front engine RWD car. Not something you can't adapt to, but I would want the first couple times to be in a controlled environment, like a skid pad, and not on the street.
All this to say that GM unleashing this car on the public without doing the modifications they did would likely have made many entertaining youtube videos.
All this to say that GM unleashing this car on the public without doing the modifications they did would likely have made many entertaining youtube videos.
I ride right seat in a lot of cars on track, and I can vouch for how well the C8 systems keep someone from spinning. The most awful driving I’ve ever seen was in a C8 and if the systems had been off, every single turn would’ve been a spin. The vette just took all of the terrible inputs and gave the guy some understeer instead. It would’ve been a spin regardless of whether the end was front, back, or mid though lol.
I meant driving at the limit. No car is actually difficult to drive with nannies off otherwise. Also, the 328 isn’t exactly a fast car.
No offense, but I’m 99% sure that you aren’t driving your 328 “hard”. Have you ever even taken it to a track?
No. I haven't - for one thing it cost a ton of money to fix it when it's something major -- and I don't have that deep of pockets.
But, I do have 60K miles in the thing in all sorts of road and weather conditions.... it's a GT - a grand touring car and the ONLY time this car - when pushed - has given me pucker moments is when I was going down a spiral exit at maximum in the rain and lifted my foot from the gas.. that was MY faultt - not the car: but, it didn't do anything but wiggle hard....
No, the 328 isn't a fast car. Porsche and Ferrari built cars at the time to compete with one another. I haven't tracked a car in decades -- I don't have the reactions anymore - I'm 80, 81 in fewer than 60 days.
The biggest issue is that Nurburgring times are NOT a very good performance benchmark in terms of CONSISTENCY.
Different drivers, on different days, with different conditions, traffic on the track, etc, etc.
Track temperatures, air temperatures, moisture levels, etc... All of these things affect performance.
Those performance differences are greatly magnified by the 'Ring's ridiculously long lap length.
A light difference in traction, a small driving error, or whatever, would make a difference of a few tenths on a regular track... on the 'Ring, it means a difference of several seconds.
The 'Ring is a good benchmark for testing a car in varying conditions, but it isn't a very good benchmark for comparing cars to EACH OTHER because there are so many variable that affect lap times that have nothing to do with the car.
The biggest issue is that Nurburgring times are NOT a very good performance benchmark in terms of CONSISTENCY.
Different drivers, on different days, with different conditions, traffic on the track, etc, etc.
Track temperatures, air temperatures, moisture levels, etc... All of these things affect performance.
Those performance differences are greatly magnified by the 'Ring's ridiculously long lap length.
A light difference in traction, a small driving error, or whatever, would make a difference of a few tenths on a regular track... on the 'Ring, it means a difference of several seconds.
The 'Ring is a good benchmark for testing a car in varying conditions, but it isn't a very good benchmark for comparing cars to EACH OTHER because there are so many variable that affect lap times that have nothing to do with the car.
a lot of these lap time lists are pretty bad because they don’t run the cars in the same conditions, or even close. This latest lightning lap test, the cars were running in super ideal conditions vs the previous test. The difference between a 45 degree sunny track and a 90 degree track is seconds on normal circuits! But the lists are fun to look at and argue about.
07-06-2022, 08:15 PM
. If I had more garage space and a little more money, I'd have a C6 and a C8.
